A.W. Pink is one in whom we should not fully support, endorse nor…..emulate!

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“2Ti_2:15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

       This month marks the 36th year anniversary when my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ came and saved me, and it has been only in the past year that I have come to know of A.W. Pinkand his writings. 

       I came to know about Pink through the postings of Mike Jeshurun, a Christian brother who writes articles on a number of blogs he has founded, and who has a presence on Face Book.  One blog in particular is very devoted to and endorsing the writings of Pink.  I never read anything by Pink; I understood he believed in the Election and Predestination of the saints, which I have come to understand by the Lord through the years in my Bible studies, so I never felt the need to look further into his writings.

       In the past couple of weeks or so that did change when this brother posted a sermon, which was given by A.W. Pink titled “Christian Fools”, (Which I shall go into more detail further on in this posting.) After reading it, and disliking it immensely, I started to do my own research on the life of Mr. Pink and found there are a number of major concerns I found that just does not adhere to Scripture in his teachings,  his life, and those with whom he was influenced by, they are as follows (this is just a few):

1.      After his conversion in 1908, he was already excepting “Pastor” positions in the United States, after a 2-month stint at the Moody Bible Institute in 1910.  It was reported he was impatient, and felt he knew all he needed to know, and the Moody Bible Institute assessed he was ready for a “Pastorship” and located him.  Then he married his wife in 1916.  He served as pastor in several churches. From a Biblical perspective, did the Lord train and send him into the ministry? In addition, did he ever have a job to provide for his wife, besides “the ministry?

 

2.      The writings of John Owen, a Puritan, were influential in his life, and I found that John Owen was supportive of the trial and execution of King Charles 1, why?   He did not preach against it.  He had the audacity to preach a sermon the day after the King’s execution while successfully excluding to mention the event!  Oliver Cromwell being impressed with the sermon, asked J. Owen to join forces with him on his campaigns in Scotland and Ireland (this was a military campaign).  This was a treacherous act against an appointed ruler of England, by so-called Puritan Christians. (God’s word states: 1Tim 2:1-4, Matt 26:52). John Owen along with Oliver Cromwell were rebels, and were guilty of shedding blood.

 

3.      A number of his writings, sermons or letters such as: “Christian Fools”, “Tithing”, “The Necessity of God’s Appointed Teachers”, “The Sovereignty of God”, “A.W. Pink on Apostasy” and “The Holy Sabbath”, to name a few, as far as I have read are misleading, confusing, verbose, and others are just plain false teaching adding his own thoughts (reasoning assumptions) as God’s thoughts.(Rev 22:18-19)

 

There were some major flaws in his character, and some found he lacked in Pastoral care visitation, “Pink did do a good job in comforting the sick & dying. He just could not do small talk. And small talk in South Carolina was (& is) a big thing”.

Finally, Pink became a total recluse for 12 or more years, until his death in 1952. Always possessed of an abrasive personality, Pink eventually retreated into isolation.  The last 13 years of his life were spent in self-enforced solitude in Stornoway, Scotland.” This is quoted from Iain Murray’s book; “The Life of Arthur W. Pink.”    Therefore, his isolation was self-imposed not lead of the Lord.  This was outright disobedience for a servant of God to emulate.  God’s word stipulates we are chosen to minister to people: Matt 25:35-40, Rom 12:1-21, James 2:1-26,etc.  He was a man unto himself, the village in which he resided only saw him on his solitary walks, nothing more, nothing less, he also informed believers who wanted to visit, not to bother because he desired solitude to write.  Is this the mindset of a true servant of the Lord? Is this the Fruit of the Spirit?  It is not according to my bible!

“2Ti 2:24  And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25  In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; “

Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

       Now I would like to continue with the observations that Pink wrote in his Sermon “Christian Fools” posted by Mike Jeshurun on his Face Book page.                                                       

Here is a link, if you care to read it for yourself. http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/Miscellaneous/christian_fools.htm   

      As soon as I read the title, I did not care for his usage of the word “Fools” in this context, it is derogatory, and lacks humility, so I decided to read it.  I was not impressed with it, and it left me with a foul taste.  I am going to take an excerpt from this writing to give an example of how he was miss applying the scriptures to suit his belief system:

 “Now notice, dear friends, that Christ did not upbraid these disciples because they did not understand, but because of their lack of faith. The trouble with them was they reasoned too much. Very likely they prided themselves on their logical minds and said, Well, surely we are not asked to believe impossibilities and absurdities: both of these cannot be true; one is true and the other cannot be. Either the Messiah of Israel is going to be a glorious and a triumphant Messiah, or else He is going to be a rejected and a humiliated one: they cannot both be true. That is why Christ said to them—not because of their failure to understand, but because of their lack of faith—“O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken.””        

          Let us look at the words he has spoken, which have been underlined and in bold to see if he is truly representing what was written in the word, for our discernment and learning.  The scripture says the following:

“Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luk 24:45  Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luk 24:46  And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: ” Now let us look at John: “Joh 20:8  Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
Joh 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.”
  This means that they “knew not the scripture” it means they had no spiritual understanding of the scripture, which affected their faith.    But in order for them to have the faith to believe in that which was written, the Lord had to “open their understanding”.  THEN they believed, because it was granted unto them at that time. 

       I would like to remark that Pink is presuming he knew the reason why they acted in such a manner;   “The trouble with them was they reasoned too much. Very likely they prided themselves on their logical minds and said, Well, surely we are not asked to believe impossibilities and absurdities”.  The Lord’s word speaks nothing of the sort, in this regard.  Presumptive reasoning of this kind is plainly the spirit of pride at work here. It is not only misleading, but is adding to scripture, which is not written.  It is also borderline “slander”. This type of spirit is exactly what leads men into major false teaching.  And I’ve come to hate this type of misrepresentation of the Lord’s word because it is deceitful, and filled with guile, and so many so-called teachers utilize this type of teaching style.

       Pink uses this as a basis to rebuke the belief systems of the Armenians and Calvinists, while he yet agrees with some aspects of both systems; he is accusing them of not understanding the whole truth as stated in God’s word, (according to Pink’s version of the truth).  Here is an example:
“When the Calvinist says that faith is the gift of God and that no sinner ever does or can believe until God gives him that faith, I heartily say Amen; but when the Armenian says that the gospel commands all who hear it to believe, and that it is the duty of every sinner to believe, I also say Amen.”  Pink here is saying he agrees with both belief systems, but goes on to rebuke them for their errors in their limited understanding.  Here is his rebuke to the Armenians.
For example, there are men today who read God’s Word, and they see that the gospel is to be preached to every creature, and that God commands all who hear that gospel to believe in Christ; then they come across some texts on election, predestination:—“Many are called but few are chosen,” and they say, Well, I cannot harmonize this, I cannot see how it is possible to preach, unhampered, a gospel to every creature, and yet for election to be true.  And because they cannot harmonize the two things, they neither believe the two nor will they preach both. They cannot harmonize election with a gospel that is to be preached to every creature, and so the Arminians preach the gospel but they leave out election.”    

Now his rebuke to the Calvinists. “Yes, but there are many Calvinists who equally come under the rebuke of our text. They believe in the sovereignty of God, but they refuse to believe in the responsibility of man. I read a book by a hyper-Calvinist only a few weeks ago, by a man whose shoe-latchet the present speaker in many things is not fit to stoop down and unloose—a man of God, a faithful servant of His, one from whom I have learned not a little—and yet he had the effrontery to say, that responsibility is the most awful word in the English language, and then went on to tirade against human responsibility. They cannot understand how that it is possible for God to fix the smallest and the greatest events, and yet not to infringe upon man’s accountability—men themselves choosing the evil and rejecting the good—and therefore because they cannot see both they will only believe in one.”   Pink errors here, they did see properly.

Now let us see how Pink utilizes this scripture to rebuke the un-saved, when in actuality this scripture in Luke 24, is not addressed to the unsaved, but believers!   “O sinner, Christ is saying to you tonight, “O fools and slow of heart to believe all.” You do believe much as you sit there. There are some of you who believe that Jesus is the Son of God. There are some of you who believe that He is the only Savior who can save any sinner. You believe that, then why not believe all? Why not believe in Him for yourself? Why not trust His precious blood for yourself; and why not tonight? God is ready to save you now if you believe on Him. The blood has been shed, the sacrifice has been offered, the atonement has been made, the feast has been spread. The call goes out to you tonight, “Come, for all things are now ready.” And I say again, the devil will tell you as you are sitting there, “There is no need for me to come tonight; I will just wait till God gets ready to come and save me.” How do you know that while you are waiting death may not come and smite you down. “Boast not thyself of tomorrow for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.” The Holy Spirit saith, “Today if ye will hear His voice harden not your hearts.” Yes, man can “harden” his heart: God says so; and God calls to you: “Harden not your heart.” That is something you do yourself—not the devil—you do it. God is speaking to you through His Word tonight. O may His grace forbid that He shall say our text to any of you after you have left this room—O God forbid that you should be among those “fools” who believe not all. You do believe that Christ is God’s appointed Savior for sinners, why not your Savior? O may the Spirit draw you by the cords of love to that One who has said, “Him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.””

Pink is misapplying the scriptures here, and he is teaching his belief that sinner’s have a “natural ability” and responsibility to “believe” in the gospel!  “ I am not limiting God, I am describing to you the plan and method that God Himself has set forth in His Word, and if you would be saved, sinner, you have got to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for yourself. I say it reverently: the Holy Spirit won’t believe for you. The Holy Spirit may put it into your heart and give you the desire to believe. If you have the desire it is because He has put it there, but He won’t believe for you: believing is a human act.”
Pink further explains this in his “Sovereignty of God” writings; under the title of; “God’s Sovereignty and Human Responsibility”, here is a quote.  “Now, in like manner, the sinner while altogether lacking in moral and spiritual ability does, nevertheless, possess natural ability, and this it is which renders him accountable unto God. Men have the same natural faculties to love God with as they have to hate Him with, the same hearts to believe with which they disbelieve, and it is their failure to love and believe which constitutes their guilt. An idiot or an infant is not personally responsible to God, because lacking in natural ability. But the normal man who is endowed with rationality, who is gifted with a conscience that is capable of distinguishing between right and wrong, who is able to weigh eternal issues is a responsible being, and it is because he does possess these very faculties that he will yet have to “give account of himself to God” (Rom. 14:12).”   
     Pink is taking Romans 14:12 out of context, Paul is writing to believers in regards to NOT judging one another with regards what one does eat, and one that does not eat meat!  This is downright mis-use of scriptures to “fit” his theology.  This is not the Holy Spirit teaching him.     

      The rest of this sermon is very confusing, and non-simplistic in its presentation, it is convoluted and very hard to wrap one’s mind around it, which I have learned not to trust.  This is not the manner in which the Lord teaches through His Holy Spirit. Our dear Lord is not an author of confusion.  It is obvious Pink was influenced by, and is expounding certain teachings that he learned from John Owen.  John Owen believed and taught “Puritan Preparationism”.

This term is explained in a writing from Martyn McGeown:

Martyn McGeown* writes the following in his article entitled “The Notion of Preparatory Grace in the Puritans”: “By this they meant, generally (with some variation), that an unregenerate sinner could prepare himself for the grace of regeneration by a serious consideration of his sins in the light of God’s law. By careful self-examination the sinner could and ought to stir himself up to loathe his own sinfulness and to desire mercy … , and by a judicious use of means (especially attendance upon the preaching of the gospel) he could put himself in the position of being a likely candidate for the New Birth. Most of the Puritans who advocated such views insisted that God prepares the sinner in this way. They were loath to suggest that man can do this unaided by the Spirit. However, they also taught that this preparatory grace was often present in reprobates so that preparation for regeneration did not necessarily lead to salvation in the end.” [1]

       As you read the full sermon you will find this is exactly what Pink is teaching.  And I have read other works by him, which I also found very confusing, and represents the typical “Philosophical Theology teaching system”, which is nothing but the “fleshly reasoning mind’ and not of the Holy Spirit, and something which I do not adhere to at all!  It is not simplistic in nature, because the Lord’s word is written for all to be able to understand as they mature according to the grace granted by the Lord according to His perfect purposeful will and timing. Col_2:8  Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 

       The Lord always condescends to the level where a believer is, but will not allow them to stay there.  He will guide them into all truth, as they are able to bear it.  1Co 3:2  I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

      Now I want to state that I have read other works of Pink’s in the last few days and have found they were very good in their teaching.  I had no problem agreeing with them.  Actually in his writing of the “The Leading of the Holy Spirit” it is exactly what I have learned from the Lord through the years, and I also agreed in part with his writings on “Sovereignty of God” but his flip-flopping back and forth leads to confusion and makes me question “if” he truly understand all of God’s council.  I am not stating that A. W. Pink was not saved, but his works are of the nature of wood, hay, and stubble, and shall be burnt up, but the believer is saved.

1Co 3:12  Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

1Co 3:13  Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.

1Co 3:14  If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

1Co 3:15  If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

 

       So based upon my findings through the Word of God and His Holy Spirit, I cannot and will not support, endorse nor emulate the works of A.W. Pink, and other believers should not. There are those like Mike Jeshurun who lift this man so high on a pedestal, and who follow his pernicious teachings, that it borders on idolatry.  Because with my experience with Mike J, once I started disagreeing with Pink and his teachings from a biblical stance, Mike removed himself from the right hand of fellowship.

       I find it very disturbing that so many people lightly cover over Pink’s weaknesses, or “flaws” as some have stated.  When it has been very clearly stated in the Lord’s Word, it is within the “little foxes” and/or a “little leaven” that will destroy the vineyard, and leaven the whole lump.

 Son 2:15  Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.

Eze 13:3  Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!

1Co 5:6  Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

1Co 5:7  Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

     

      Therefore, we need to view ALL things as the Lord views them; it is for our protection, liberty, and edification. What we may not deem important in our eyes, is the opposite in our Lord’s eyes. Though they err, they are still brethren, and not enemies, but we must still be separate from them.

 

2Ti 2:24  And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

2Ti 2:25  In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

2Ti 2:26  And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

 

 

      If the Lord shall lead, I will write upon the other teachings of A.W. Pink and express why they are unscriptural in nature.

     

      May the Lord open your eyes to see the truth, so that you may be pleasing unto the Lord in ALL things pertaining unto Holiness, Righteousness, and Truth, as He sees it according to His perfect will.

 

Eph 5:8  For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

Eph 5:9  (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

Eph 5:10  Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

Eph 5:11  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

 

 

In His Eternal Love…..

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After chastisements…………the Peacable fruit of Righteousness……and Joy cometh in the morning!

This was a response to a dear brother in the Lord who wrote an article titled:

“REMORSE OVER THE PAST AND WORRY ABOUT THE FUTURE – GOD’S WORD FORBIDS BOTH!”

This brother wrote this with the most sincerest intentions and honesty as far as he understands, and part of the article is very true, but his understanding in God’s design for how we are to walk is in error.  He actually is trying to justify his disobedience to the Lord and His Word, because he is deceived by the intentions of his fleshly heart.  He thinks he has a ministry, and he may have such, but he is not walking according to the Lord’s Word on how believers are to govern themselves.

For an example, this dear brother, sends his wife out to work, so that he may stay home and take care of their two boys, and to be available to minister to believers, and write articles.  The problem is that a man is to provide for the family while the wife stays home and cares for the children and the household.  He has turned it around.  His wife has suffered terribly from a sickness and was not able to work, but the Lord has provided means for him to stay afloat and provide for the family, and minister to his wife due to this disease which is now in remission, thank the Lord for that.  But once he informed me that she was going to go out to work, I brought to his attention that this was NOT the will of the Lord, God’s word is clear on that issue and there is no way of getting around it. A man who is a follower of the Lord is to make sure the Lord is his first priority, then “if” he is married, then he is commanded to provide for the wife and the children FIRST, then “IF” he has a ministry that is last.  Because the Lord desires NOT the family to suffer due to a ministry, and there is no biblical support otherwise.  The Lord and one’s relationship is first, family second, and ministry will follow as the Lord should lead which will NOT contradict His Word!  His wife has suffered sickness, he has had many states of depression, and his sons are not believers in the Lord.

The Lord will use many differing ways to get our attention, I know for I have suffered many majorly deep depressions in my life to the point of terrible despondency, but through each one of them, He has revealed why and brought healing, and which lead me to see my errors in HOW I was conducting myself in what I was believing, or not believing.  This was the way the Lord brought “Chastisements” to me by using a mental anguish to bring me to the truth of a matter concerning obedience and His Ways. The Lord will also use sickness, but many times we don’t recognize these situations as a disciplinary action by the Lord to grab hold of our attention for some specific purpose.  Most of the time we think it’s just the way of life on earth, getting sick, and most of the time it is, but many times it is sent from the Lord for a specific purpose, such as correction.   In many circles they think it’s just an attack from the devil, which in some cases it can be, but most of the time it is not, and in other cases some may think it is a test, or a trial to test our faith and trust in Him, and that can also be true.   It is up to us to seek the Lord with a sincere heart to find out the why, and that is where we as immature Christians can fail, but thank the Lord, His faithfulness to us is NOT based upon our faithfulness to Him.

Now on to my reply:

Pro 16:25  There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

        Anything which is not followed in OBEDIENCE, be it through self-will, pride, lack of knowledge or wisdom, and our own ignorance will bring about “Suffering”,(sin is death) and we can and will suffer personal loss from wrong decisions whatever the reason.  Especially if it is done through ignorance, which will mostly occur when we are “Babes in Christ”, and “if” this be the case the Lord’s mercies and understanding and faithfulness will bring us out of it, but once we have learned from the “errors” of our immaturity in understanding, then we will walk according to His Ways, and will have the grace to keep walking in His Upright ways.

        God is a God of order, and He has made known His Ways especially in HOW we as believers need to conduct our lives according to His Word.  For the ways of the Spirit is in His Truth.  His ways can be overshadowed by our MISUNDERSTANDINGS in Rightly dividing the Word of the Lord.

As the Lord stated:

 2Ti 2:13  If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

2Ti 2:14  Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

2Ti 2:15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

So we are to “STUDY” to show ourselves approved, why?  So that we may walk uprightly in His Ways and speak to those who error from His Ways;

2Ti 2:24  And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

2Ti 2:25  In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

2Ti 2:26  And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

 

There are many examples of Godly men who erred in their decision making which led to suffering, once realizing their “sinful actions” were forgiven, but still suffered loss due to those actions, they will bring loss.  Though forgiven and cleansed, once we have repented, we will sometimes still have to suffer the consequences.

 

The first major example which comes to mind is King David, and his actions to win Bathsheba, which caused the death of an upright man through the hands of David.  Was it God’s will that this be done? Was the Lord the author of David’s lustful heart?

 2Sa 11:27  And when the mourning was past, David sent and fetched her to his house, and she became his wife, and bare him a son. But the thing that David had done displeased the LORD.

 

 That should bring about a resounding NO!  David was out of God’s order in how he should have governed himself, but his fleshly and lustful heart, (which was a continual weakness) won out.  Even though David eventually came to see how he not only sinned against his God, and lead a man to his death, and repented of it and was forgiven of the Lord, God’s judgement of righteousness had to be forthcoming.  David SUFFERED loss from his sin, and others suffered along due to his disobedience, and violence and the sword was to be the way of life for him and his kingdom:

 2Sa 12:9  Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

2Sa 12:10  Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.

2Sa 12:11  Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

2Sa 12:12  For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

2Sa 12:13  And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

2Sa 12:14  Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

 

 

The Lord brought forth His Judgement so that ALL of Israel would see and take note, that He was a Just God and did not show favoritism towards anyone that sinned Against Him and His Ways!

 

And yet after all this King David to this day is known as a “man after God’s heart”.

 

Now another example is King Hezekiah:

 2Ki 20:3  I beseech thee, O LORD, remember now how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.

2Ki 20:4  And it came to pass, afore Isaiah was gone out into the middle court, that the word of the LORD came to him, saying,

2Ki 20:5  Turn again, and tell Hezekiah the captain of my people, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will heal thee: on the third day thou shalt go up unto the house of the LORD.

2Ki 20:6  And I will add unto thy days fifteen years; and I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city for mine own sake, and for my servant David’s sake.

After the Lord granted him another 15 years, Hezekiah in his fleshly zeal did something very foolish and suffered the consequence of is actions and of which all of Israel did suffer:

2Ki 20:12  At that time Berodachbaladan, the son of Baladan, king of Babylon, sent letters and a present unto Hezekiah: for he had heard that Hezekiah had been sick.

2Ki 20:13  And Hezekiah hearkened unto them, and shewed them all the house of his precious things, the silver, and the gold, and the spices, and the precious ointment, and all the house of his armour, and all that was found in his treasures: there was nothing in his house, nor in all his dominion, that Hezekiah shewed them not.

2Ki 20:14  Then came Isaiah the prophet unto king Hezekiah, and said unto him, What said these men? and from whence came they unto thee? And Hezekiah said, They are come from a far country, even from Babylon.

2Ki 20:15  And he said, What have they seen in thine house? And Hezekiah answered, All the things that are in mine house have they seen: there is nothing among my treasures that I have not shewed them.

2Ki 20:16  And Isaiah said unto Hezekiah, Hear the word of the LORD.

2Ki 20:17  Behold, the days come, that all that is in thine house, and that which thy fathers have laid up in store unto this day, shall be carried into Babylon: nothing shall be left, saith the LORD.

2Ki 20:18  And of thy sons that shall issue from thee, which thou shalt beget, shall they take away; and they shall be eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon.

2Ki 20:19  Then said Hezekiah unto Isaiah, Good is the word of the LORD which thou hast spoken. And he said, Is it not good, if peace and truth be in my days?

2Ki 20:20  And the rest of the acts of Hezekiah, and all his might, and how he made a pool, and a conduit, and brought water into the city, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Judah?

2Ki 20:21  And Hezekiah slept with his fathers: and Manasseh his son reigned in his stead.

 

These are a couple of examples from the Old, and there are examples from the New Testament as well for our learning.

 

Paul wrote to the Corinthians warning them that there is a proper way to build upon the foundation of the Lord Jesus Christ and what He expects from His people and “if” they do not build properly upon that foundation they shall suffer loss:

1Co 3:10  According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

1Co 3:11  For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

1Co 3:12  Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

1Co 3:13  Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.

1Co 3:14  If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

1Co 3:15  If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

 

Here is an example of a believer who walked according to the sinful and fleshly desires of his lustful heart, and this man had to be chastised by being separated from the body, so that the Lord’s correction and repentance be granted unto this man.  They failed to act until Paul got wind of it, and instructed them in PROPER Godly council how to deal with the situation:

 1Co 5:1  It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife.

1Co 5:2  And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

1Co 5:3  For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

1Co 5:4  In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1Co 5:5  To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1Co 5:6  Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

1Co 5:7  Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

1Co 5:8  Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

 

This man walked according to his own way possibly due to ignorance, and the members allowed it due to “Pride” and carnality, this was NOT according to God’s pattern of governing.  Was the Lord the author of this man’s sin?  Did the Lord guide him into working this unrighteousness? No, absolutely not.

Once the members acted according to God’s will in dealing with this sinful act, repentance was granted unto this man, and he was then returned unto them.  His sin was forgiven and he was restored, and more than likely never practiced that evil again.

 

We are also warned that  believers should NOT marry an unbeliever, “if” they do they will suffer the consequences, for the Lord desires us NOT to be unequally yoked, and to this day we see many so-called Christian marriages in shambles because they do NOT OBEY the Lord’s guidance in these matters.  But there is always forgiveness and repentance granted once confessed, then we depend upon the Lord’s mercy and grace within that situation.

We are also warned that if a believer does not work and provided for himself and his family, that he should not eat, and that they are worse than the heathens!

Also fathers are warned that:

 Eph 6:4  And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

How many Christian homes have suffered loss due to Christian father’s NOT being there for their children in the manner which the Lord has desired?  Many walk after the council of their own fleshly hearts and human reasoning minds (these bring death) and therefore their children suffer from it, and many don’t desire to follow the Lord. (I’ve known the children to go into homosexuality) How many women who say they are Christian are working and not there for the family unit as God desires……many.

I’ve seen so many families whose fathers are supposedly “ministers of God’s word”, paying more attention to the sheep, and their ministries then their own families and their needs! 

So if there be no discipline in following the Lord’s desires ALL will suffer loss in the natural as well in Spiritual rewards. And none of it is the Lord’s will.

And there will be regrets; we are to judge our actions and beliefs according to what the Lord’s Word instruct us, and where we aren’t willing due to “misunderstandings” or plain fleshly stubbornness and pride, there is hope  “if” we sincerely seek His will and ways He will get us there for sure, without any doubting of His Faithfulness towards us His Children.

We are admonished to know the Lord’s Will according to His council, to know what is Right and Just in His eyes not our own as stated here:

 Eph 5:6  Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Eph 5:7  Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

Eph 5:8  For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

Eph 5:9  (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

Eph 5:10  Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

Eph 5:11  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Eph 5:12  For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

Eph 5:13  But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

Eph 5:14  Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

Eph 5:15  See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

Eph 5:16  Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

Eph 5:17  Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

 

 To do otherwise is disobedience, not ALL of our actions and decisions are of God’s will or plan, otherwise why would He need to chastise us for our good, which worketh Righteousness unto Holiness?

 

So in part, what you are stating in your discernment,  is not correct,  no person who follows Christ can walk their own walk, we are NOT an island unto ourselves.  And the path you have walked does have error as I have walked in error, but by the Grace of God…..He has brought me out of it, and I have paid a price, some through ignorance and false teaching, which darkened my understanding, but once His chastisements came, I learned His Ways, and by His Grace, I have the desire to walk in them.  And through that learning process I am able to share with you where you err.

 

In His Eternal Love……

Heb 12:10  For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Heb 12:11  Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Psa 30:2  O LORD my God, I cried unto thee, and thou hast healed me.

Psa 30:3  O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.Psa 30:4  Sing unto the LORD, O ye saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.
Psa 30:5  For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.

I pray the Lord would like to teach to all His Ways, that He will give you the understanding and the willingness to obey by His Grace, and “if” you are not willing, He will make you willing.

The Lord bless you one and all.

In His Eternal Love….

The deceitful lie of “Free Will” belief-ism and teaching is from the author of all lies …….the serpent.

Gen 3:3  But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4  And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5  For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

     Adam and Eve were the only two created living, breathing,( filled with the breath of God), humans which had free will.  They knew no evil, they communed with the Lord.  Adam was first instructed by the Lord God, to not eat of the tree, “the tree of the knowledge of good and evil”.

Gen 2:8  And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen 2:9  And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Gen 2:16  And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17  But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

       Adam and Eve only knew of good, for they communed with the Lord within the Garden of Eden, they lived according to His Spoken Word, until the serpent came to deceive.  The serpent’s lie was to create the separation between God and His created man.  The serpent who is the Devil, was envious, and his desire was to be like the most High. Pride was found in him, and he wanted to be worshiped.

Isa 14:12  How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13  For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14  I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Eze 28:15  Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16  By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17  Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

       So as we can read, pride was at the root of the devil’s demise.  And the temptation towards Eve was to disbelieve God by making her doubt, so a choice “ye shall be as gods” was being offered, pride was the root.  Once they partook of the forbidden fruit, they became self-aware: “Gen 3:7  And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.”  At that moment they died spiritually, and eventually they would die naturally , so they were cut off from communing with their creator and God, and once realized they were naked (self-aware) they “covered” themselves with fig leaves, this is the first self-works , by covering their nakedness, and then hiding from the Lord.

      This act brought forth the violence of Death unto all of God’s creation, which was originally created perfect, or as the Lord  stated; “God saw, that it was good”.  This act brought forth death unto all things, therefore Adam and Eve became dead in their trespasses and sins, which were passed unto all humankind.  1Co_15:22  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

      The lie of “Free will” is found in these words; Gen 3:5  “For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”  Knowing good and evil means we are “so-called” free to be able to choose between good and evil, and make our decisions based on this Knowledge, hence,  Gen 2:17  But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.  To be able to choose between good and evil means we dwell in death.  Which means those that believe that we have the “free will” to choose God, or Jesus and to follow Him, while we dwell in death, are literally believing that there is some good within them (pride) to choose good by choosing God to go to heaven, (which is good) instead of going to hell  (they are saving themselves) so they reject the evil, (which is bad, I mean think about it, who in their right mind would want to go to hell?).   This is really playing god, (and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil) to be able to choose due to the knowledge of knowing good and evil.

      I do realize that there will be an outrageous amount of rage from those who do believe in “Free Will”, but the Lord’s word stands on it’s own.  I have run across a number of people who do believe in this lie, and their rage against those that believe that salvation is a gift given from the Lord  unmerited, and against their human will, is the proof that they react out of fear and pride, for they do not desire to admit that they are absolutely destitute in the capability of choosing God.  The religious folk during the Lord’s time was proof of that.  He found NO FAITH in the midst of Israel.

     I pray the Lord will bless this writing and grant true understanding to those deceived by the free will teaching, and to those whom the Lord has predestined unto salvation, that they will see the light and be granted salvation through the works of the Lord Jesus Christ and Him crucified.  For it is the Lord that does chose us, no one dead in their sins chooses the Lord, they’re just not able too, for only life exists and comes from the Lord of all things created. Amen…

 

Joh 6:63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Joh 6:64  But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Joh 6:65  And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Joh 6:66  From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Joh_15:16  Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Joh_15:19  If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

         The Lord bless each and everyone of you.

         In His Eternal Love……

A true Christian Church….and what it means to be a Christian.

       I have been involved  in discussions on a certain topic at another Christian brothers blog, and while participating I was asked by a regular commenter a couple of questions that he would like me to answer.  And I agreed I would give answers on my blog, for I did not desire to trespass on the brothers blog since it was really not dealing with the topic at hand.

So here are the questions asked according to the order given as quoted word for word:

“Cal with all due respect can you share with the rest of us what you believe to be a true Christian church and what it means to be a Christian? What are the parameters and criteria that would satisfy your want. Thank you”

      I informed him that these are great questions, and as a matter-of-fact, it was an answer to prayer.  I asked the Lord for guidance what to share and after having my quiet time with Him, I new what I was going to write about, but then I read this request, which so happens to be a wonderful precursor for the posting which shall follow this, and it will go hand-in-hand, just perfect!  I shall be entering it later this week, Lord willing of course!  I digress….

      First I would like to say that the “parameters and criteria” has nothing to do with what I want or desire, it’s what the Lord’s requirements are according to His written word as laid out in the New Testament.  With that being said, now I shall like to answer what constitutes a “true Christian church”. 

      There are numerous scriptures which states what makes up the church, or the Body of Christ, and here are a few being listed, the others can be searched and studied on your own(for those of you truly interested):

Mat 16:18  And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Rom 12:4  For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
Rom 12:5  So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

1Co 12:27  Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18  And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19  For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Col 1:24  Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church:
Eph 2:18  For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19  Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20  And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21  In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22  In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

      So as we can read, believers are the “church“, the body of Christ.  So it’s the members who make up the church, that means those that are truly Christian, they are the church, the body of Christ.  And it is not a necessarily a”building” built with hands, made of stone, wood, or brick, it’s an eternal temple! Act 7:48  Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 7:49  Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?   There are other scriptures, but for the sake of space I must continue on before this runs on for a mile!

     Now,  what it means to be a Christian, there are also scores of scriptures that reveal the Lord’s requirements, here are a few:

Act 2:39  For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Act 2:47  Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Luk_10:22  All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
Joh_1:13  Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
1Co 1:26  For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27  But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

      In essence one needs to be “born-again” from above, it is a gift of God, NOT of works…lest any man should boast. Eph_2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast.   So what that is saying, that no one who becomes a Christian through “traditional means” such as; baby baptism, going faithfully to church, being a member of a church, born and raised in a church, forced or coerced to accept Jesus Christ is saved.  No, unless you be born again of God’s Spirit, by and through the Power of God through Christ Jesus, granted by God, you are not a Christian.  I was raised a Baptist, said the prayer at 10 years of age, and I was not born again.  I knew of the Lord, but I did not know Him.

        Some examples of people who are not saved, but religious: Roman Catholics, Anglicans, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, anyone not predestined according to the Will of God, chosen for His good pleasure. And many well known TV preachers, pastors from many differing denominations, teachers, religious leaders, healers, and evangelists are not born again.  It’s sad, and a fearful thing actually, but that is the reality of God’s Word.

     I may discuss down the road why so many real Christian congregations don’t grow.  It would seem they do not follow God’s pattern laid down for His Church, they actually have been influenced by “traditions” passed down from the Roman Catholic church and never cut those traditions off.  

So please feel free to comment, then we can tackle other issues as the Lord leads.  Take care and the Lord bless you.

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