BEWARE… Jim Brown with ‘Grace and Truth Ministries’ is a heretic!!!!!

2Pe 2:1  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2  And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
Php 3:18  (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
Php 3:19  Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

     I first became aware of Jim Brown just a couple of weeks ago through a video I watched, where he first stated;“the English language is a harlot language” my first initial reaction was one of disbelief!  I wondered how in the world could a “biblical teacher” believe this to be so? I also was terribly uncomfortable in the manner in which he spoke, he seemed to be yelling, as if yelling was going to hammer into my mind that he was speaking truth. He kept making statements that one “needs to know Greek” to fully understand the bible!   My first thought was that this man is leading a “cult” like group, because I have experienced the “fruits” of a cult leader.  Then I saw in the title of the video a word, which was new to me, it was Gematria.  Well my mind immediately felt alerted, so I did a Google search, and this is what I found in the Wikipedia, it is a direct quote:

Gematria or gimatria (Hebrew: גימטריה gēmaṭriyā) is a system of assigning numerical value to a word or phrase, in the belief that words or phrases with identical numerical values bear some relation to each other, or bear some relation to the number itself as it may apply to a person’s age, the calendar year, or the like. It is likely that the term derives from the order of the Greek alphabet, gamma being the third letter of the Greek alphabet (gamma + tria).[1] Alternatively, the word “gematria” is generally held to derive from Greek geōmetriā, “geometry“, which was used as a translation of gēmaṭriyā, though some scholars believe it to derive from Greek grammateia, rather; it’s possible that both words had an influence on the formation of the Hebrew word.[2] It has been extant in English since the 17th century from translations of works by Giovanni Pico della Mirandola. Although ostensibly derived from Greek, it is largely used in Jewish texts, notably in those associated with the Kabbalah.”

      I hope you caught the last sentence which is in bold, “associated with the Kabbalah.” If you are like me, I’ve only recently come in contact with this word “Kabbalah” through the entertainment news which informed which  celebrities  were believing in and practicing this form of a religous belief system.  Here is the definition of what Kabbalah represents as reported in Wikipedia: “

Kabbalah, also spelled Kabala or Qabbālâ (Hebrew: קַבָּלָה literally “receiving”), is an esoteric method, discipline and school of thought. Its definition varies according to the tradition and aims of those following it,[1] from its religious origin as an integral part of Judaism, to its later Christian, New Age, or Occultist syncretic adaptations. Kabbalah is a set of esoteric teachings meant to explain the relationship between an unchanging, eternal and mysterious Ein Sof (no end) and the mortal and finite universe (his creation). While it is heavily used by some denominations, it is not a religious denomination in itself. Inside Judaism, it forms the foundations of mystical religious interpretation. Outside Judaism, its scriptures are read outside the traditional canons of organised religion. Kabbalah seeks to define the nature of the universe and the human being, the nature and purpose of existence, and various other ontological questions. It also presents methods to aid understanding of these concepts and to thereby attain spiritual realisation.”

“Kabbalah originally developed entirely within the realm of Jewish thought and kabbalists often use classical Jewish sources to explain and demonstrate its esoteric teachings.” “These teachings are thus held by followers in Judaism to define the inner meaning of both the Hebrew Bible and traditional Rabbinic literature, their formerly concealed transmitted dimension, as well as to explain the significance of Jewish religious observances.[2]  “

  So we see that “Kabbalah is mystical in it’s nature brought about by  rabbinic teachers, these “rabbinic teachers” are NOT Christian, so their thoughts are coming from a darkened mind of sinful flesh, and not by the Holy Spirit! 

This is how I came to the conclusion that Jim Brown, who is utilizing an “occult” practice of Gematria to understand scriptures, is a false teacher.  We have the Holy Spirit which will teach us all we need to know concerning the Lord’s word;

1Jn 2:27  But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Php_3:15  Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Joh_16:13  Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

        After I found out the meaning of Gematria My next step was to search out if any other person had discovered this man to be a false teacher, all I found was a complaint by a man who was involved for a while with this ministry, he stated, and I quote..

…..“It is really sad that someone who claims to represent the teachings of God, is having his employees harass other religious entities behind the scenes. Jim Brown who is Minister of Grace & Truth Ministries in Hendersonville Tennessee, has had several of his cronies call on via the phone, e-mail, or sometimes on site of a competing Church, and attack the beliefs of that congregation who Brown deems not to be a true Christian by his own beliefs.”

“Brown’s hard-core cult-like teachings of the Bible, attract a fringe group of Christians who wish to exalt themselves over traditional groups such as Catholics, Baptists, Pentecostal, and any other religious group they deem worthy of attack.”

“Brown is not man enough himself to do the dirty work, so he has his followers or low-paid employees do it for him. They call people anonymously and verbally attack them with their views of the Bible. They send CDs and literature as well to unsuspecting churches who they target.”

“For several years. Brown and his group have been brokering airtime of cable systems across the country to carry their television ministry and raise donations. Brown hired an out of work heavy metal radio disc jockey – Dave Tuckmantel – to contact TV outlets to carry the weekly broadcasts.”

“Tuckmantel is responsible for harassing many religious organizations in behalf of Brown, and hap-hazardly boasts of his activities in the name of God.”

“This is completely unacceptable behavior and unethical for a religious entity to behave in such a manner. I was a supporter of Grace & Truth Ministries for quite sometime, however after learning of these shameful activities, I have since severed ties with them.”

“I feel the public needs to be aware of their activities and unethical behavior of Jim Brown and his Grace & Truth Ministries.

      There was another, person a woman who commented on this complaint board, who also had dealings with this group, this is what she had stated and I quote…..“wow…I feel like I’ve talked myself into a blank space with an indictment against Jim. WELL, I’m not here for that…I, initially, was here to stand up for what Jim has done and is doing. Jim has a healthy study habit which has/ does produce tremendous information in support of the Bible. I feel like a viable candidate to speak for that aspect of Jim’s ministry. But, within this ‘filtering’ of argumentation I have come to realize by my own words that my feelings are just as true for not going to his church. My feelings should have NOTHING to do with those who feel healthy within that church environment. It was Jim who did pull me out of so many problems so long ago … he was ‘the hammer’ that knocked me out of me… I have evolved into who I am because of that…and evolved out of going there. I don’t make this a moral implication or mental evolution…it’s just that I’m not there anymore because of what I feel to be ‘in lack of’ a healthy environment for my own family. I hope this has helped anyone — maybe only me”.

      There was not much out there on the web who stood up against Jim Brown and his teaching, which I found surprising because this man has been around for a while.  I could find no real testimony on how the Lord found him, (how he was saved) and that makes me highly suspicious, because when you meet the Lord by and through His Holy Spirit, you know you met with God and you can’t help but proclaim it from the roof tops!

      Now I have run across a man who is speaking out against this man and gives his reason why this man, Jim Brown, of “Grace & Truth Ministries” is what I’ve expected….a false teacher….a heretic of the worse kind.   Here are some of his discoveries concerning this ungodly, and unholy ministry! 

“Jim Brown says – “THE BIBLE IS FULL OF LIES – THERE ARE NO DEMONS”! ( Series – Doctrine of the Devil, #3030)”

“More than once in this tape this man blurts out “the Bible is full of lies”! But he is quick to catch himself and clarifies by saying – “I didn’t say the Bible is a lie, but that the Bible is full of lies”!”

 

“BABIES ARE BORN INNOCENT AND BECOME SINNERS ONLY WHEN THEY SIN”.

“(Series – Predestination and Atonement, #2903)”

“This is a denial of the ‘Doctrine of the Original Sin‘ and the ‘The doctrine of Imputation‘.”

“The preacher who teaches that men are ‘born innocent’ and only become sinners when they sin has understood neither the enormity of the FALL nor the Gospel!”

 

“JIM BROWNS’ WARPED VIEW OF REGENERATION! ((Series – Predestination and Atonement, #2903)”

““I was about four years old, I was this INNOCENT little boy, I didn’t know my right hand from my left . . . I don’t know what my first sin was, I was alive without the law once . . . ”   (by ‘alive without the law once’ Jim Brown means he was sinless until he was four. In fact he asserts that when Paul said this in Romans 7:9 he was referring to his sinlessness as a child)”

“He goes on to say that when he was six or seven that’s when he first sinned and that’s when he died (spiritually)!”

 

       These are just a few excerpts of what he has written……to read more detailed information  here is the link;

http://michaeljeshurun.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/heresies-of-jim-brown-of-sovereign-grace-and-truth-ministries/

      I would just like to add that I tried to listen to other video’s of this Jim Brown, and I suffered through the most excruciating mental pain of trying to understand what this man was teaching concerning the birth of Cain, and what I did pick up before my computer froze, was that Jim Brown stated “that there was more than ONE VIRGIN birth, Eve and God created Cain!  Once my computer un-froze, I could not get back to the same video.  But I did have a headache that lasted a good half hour before it disappeared!  That my dear brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus is a sure sign of “human reasoning” being taught, there was no Unction of the Holy Spirit in this man’s teaching, which proves he knows not the Jesus Christ of the Bible, that he relies on his fallen human reasoning while utilizing occult tools, which were brought about by men who were NOT saved, but by Jewish rabbinical teachers!  I love the body of Christ especially the babes in Christ, for they have not the capacity to discern what is of the Lord and of the devil, because it “sounds good” to them, but that is the trick of “wolves in sheep’s clothing”.  I know what it is to be deceived while being a babe in Christ, I have the stripes that my soul, my mind, and my faith suffered due to “doctrine of demons”, and it took the Lord years to undue it, as I was able to receive His Truth.  So by the loving grace of my Heavenly Father, through the mediation of Jesus Christ, and by the sealing of the Holy Spirit, I am where I am, and I will NOT stifle or be afraid to stand up against any false teacher, pastor, or so-called spiritual leader that knows not the Christ of the Bible, His Gospel, His Truth which is all due to His Love for His children, and whoa to those that are a stumbling block to His young flock!

      As the Word of the Lord states:

Eph 5:5  For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6  Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7  Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
Eph 5:8  For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
Eph 5:9  (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
Eph 5:10  Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Eph 5:11  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Col 2:6  As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Col 2:7  Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Col 2:8  Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9  For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

2Th 2:10  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

       May our Gracious Heavenly Father through the unction of His Holy Spirit give you the grace to set you free from all false doctrines and those that teach it.  For I am assured of this one thing, that the Lord shall NOT lose ONE of His Sheep, and He shall deliver you out of the claws of false teaching and their leaders, for our hope is only in Him and not of ourselves.

       Be blessed…….In His Eternal Love…..

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  1. mikejeshurun
    Jan 13, 2013 @ 19:54:23

    Reblogged this on Mike Jeshurun's Blog.

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  2. Red Baker
    Jan 14, 2013 @ 05:22:39

    My dearest brother,

    Thank you for this excellent article. Brother do you need another computer? I will be happy to get you one. Tell me the cost, and I will forward the money. I KNOW YOU, that you do not ask, not will you.

    Michael, I believe I am in a debate with some of his people at the moment, and maybe even him. Do they have a forum? if so, then I am in a very heated debates with these people, on many subjects. Write me and I will give you the site.

    I love you in Christ Jesus, our blessed Lord.

    Red Baker

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  3. cal4u
    Jan 14, 2013 @ 08:53:13

    Dear brother Red Baker, first I want to say, that I am the author of this blog, I am not Michael, I used Michale’s blog as a reference to confirm my findings as well. You know the “two witness” system. My name is Cal, you might have been confused, because Michael has “reblogged” my posting unto his blog also. I am having the trouble with my computer, not Michael. I can see you have a giving heart, and I thank God for that, But I will not hold you too it since you thought I was Michael…..LOL!
    Yes, this group is extremely dangerous, and Michael and I have had our run in with people who follow this group and support his wicked teachings. Thank you for complimenting my article, and I pray the Lord give you grace while in debate with these followers or the “man, Jim B” himself. They will not listen, so don’t go over board in striving with them. Just keep your peace. And shake off the dust.
    In His Eternal Love………Cal

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  4. mikejeshurun
    Jan 14, 2013 @ 10:08:06

    Very well said, Brother Cal. And it is true, that men like Jim Brown and those with him are not going to listen. Thank you for your support and standing with me in contending earnestly for the truth.

    Please allow me to once again post a short comment which I also posted on my blog. It might bless someone. –

    When The Lord called me in 1986 to preach His Word, I determined in my heart that “If I should please men, then I should not be the servant of Christ”! [Gal 1:10]. And with the years, this conviction as grown more and more! To ‘soft-pedal’, side-step, mince words and to be worried about men’s opinions does not pay . . . especially in this business of preaching!

    That which was said of our Lord should be at least to some degree be said of us – “Master, we know that Thou art true, and carest for no man:for Thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth”! [Mark 12:14]

    And the bottom line concerning this is – “We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error”! [1Jn 4:6]

    Not all who claim to believe in the doctrine of Election and Predestination are necessarily ‘Elect’! As experience has taught me, a man (or woman) can have their head full of ‘solid doctrine’ but be destitute of the Spirit of God! Such have no desire to DO the will of God! And so when God brings up ‘hard sayings’ and smashes their idols and the heretics they look up to, they just cannot stomach it! “Oh that is YOUR interpretation” they say!

    Against this Christ said – “If any man will do His will, HE shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself”! [John 7:17]

    Those who are not truly elect cannot stomach hard sayings such as these!

    “Many therefore of His disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it”? . . . From that time many of His disciples went back, and walked no more with Him. [John 6:60-66] In present day language, they just ‘unfriended and blocked Him’!

    And The Lord let them go and kept preaching the truth!

    The lesson from all this to us who are striving to imitate Jesus in all things is – PREACH THE TRUTH AND LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY!

    For after all, the Elect will receive it and it is ‘not given’ to the reprobate to receive it! So let us be faithful to preach the ‘whole counsel of God’ and strive to be pure from the blood of all men!

    “Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
    Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified”. [Acts 20:26-32]

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  5. robert davis
    Jan 14, 2013 @ 12:01:29

    Jim Brown preaches the real truth and pulls no punches to make you feel good. The cotton-candy church doctrines, that taste good but have no substance, you won’t hear from him. Jim Brown digs into the greek and the truth arises. If you listen enough, he explains all his teachings thoroughly. If you really want to learn the history of the bible, check out graceandtruth.net

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    • cal4u
      Jan 14, 2013 @ 13:18:05

      Robert, all details concerning what this man believes and teaches within this article is found to be true and correct, according the Word of the Lord.

      You are obviously one of the blind that is being lead by the blind. So be it, it’s your choice but the Lord’s Word is the final judgement against this man and his wicked teaching, and against you for believing that this man (JBrown) speaks the truth.
      It is written therefore it is true. Your blood is not on our hands, we are clean. You have been warned.

      Standing upon the Word of the Lord. In His Eternal Love…..

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  6. cal4u
    Jan 14, 2013 @ 13:12:51

    Dear Brother Mike, I thank you for the pleasure of knowing you, and for gracing my blog with your comment. We shall contend, along with other faithful’s for the truth. In these later days, I’m still amazed how low these heretics will go when they come up with such putrefying and deceitful swill, and throwing it out to the masses to gobble up, Either they are babes in Christ, or just those that have itchy ears waiting for some new “doctrine” to come along, all because their faith is NOT planted in and by the Lord Jesus Christ.

    You truly are a blessing to the body of Christ, who has been born of His Spirit, by His Will and choosing. And it’s an honor to be able to call you a brother in Jesus Christ.

    But if I may add this one thing, where you mentioned “I determined in my heart that….” let us not forget it is the Lord that places, that measured gift of grace, through His merciful kindness and perfect will the “determined heart”, because without Him we can do absolutely nothing! And that keeps us in a constant need of Him at all times in all manner of circumstances. Because only God the Father is Good!

    In His Eternal Love…..

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  7. Turnthoume
    Jan 14, 2013 @ 19:07:58

    How can you contend spreading lies? “There is more than one virgin birth” He said this is what many atheist claim. How can one stand for the truth standing firm on a lie? You should have been diligent to listen to the entire message.

    “And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man’s mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?” (Exo 4:11)

    Praise the God that has made some to hear and some to be blind. I would be very leery to give honor to Mike since he has his doctrines about marriage and divorce screwed up. Examine the word carefully.

    “Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.” (Matthew 22:29)

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    • cal4u
      Jan 14, 2013 @ 23:53:41

      Greetings ‘Turnthoume’, I will re-listen to the video, I have stated that I had a problem with my computer, and went back to the site to listen to it over again, but it was very difficult to get back to that specific video due to the set up on the site. If I had “mis-understood” I will confess it, but what I heard, is what I stated,,it is difficult for me to follow him through his yelling….and he does yell, and jump around, which is not how the Holy Spirit works.

      As for the rest, I listened to his other videos, and I stand on what I have stated. I do not need to learn Greek to understand the Lord’s word, His Holy Spirit is my teacher, which I’ve stated in this posting, I will not repeat myself.

      As for Mike’s belief’s on divorce, he can speak for himself, so deal with him concerning this issue. I will not talk on his behalf.

      Another point is that the Spirit of the Living God resides in me, and through my experiences with cult like leaders, this man is one, and I will not relent upon that truth. I will not lie, nor do I lie. Jim Brown is lying through his very words. He is without Grace, and he is without Truth, he does NOT know the Love of God, and that is the truth, upon which I will not bend!

      Mat_15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

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  8. mikejeshurun
    Jan 14, 2013 @ 21:30:23

    It must be admitted that there are certain truths in Scripture which require a fair amount of diligent study before one can believe them and accept them. Like the doctrine of the Trinity for instance.

    But one does not need to be a student of the Bible for very long to believe in the existence of demons or devils! Almost all who call themselves ‘Christians’ including the idol worshipping Catholics, the tongue speaking Pentecostals and even the majority of Christian Cults all agree in the existence of demons, because the Scriptures are so plain concerning their existence and their activity. This is not something which requires a ‘rightly dividing of the Word’ (2Tim 2:15) to come to a conclusion that demons exist and that Christ in His ministry dealt with them!

    TO SAY THAT THERE ARE NO DEVILS OR DEMONS AND CALL IT ‘SUPERSTITION’ AS JIM BROWN DOES IS TO PLAINLY SAY THAT THE BIBLE IS A LIE AND THAT THE MINISTRY OF THE LORD JESUS IS A FARCE!

    His initial commission to His disciples was – “Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, CAST OUT DEVILS: freely ye have received, freely give”! [Matt 10:8]

    “And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, EVEN THE DEVILS are subject unto us through Thy name”! [Luke 10:17]

    And again – “When the UNCLEAN SPIRIT is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself SEVEN OTHER SPIRITS more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there:and the last state of that man is worse than the first”! [Matt 12:43-45]

    Now according to Jim Brown and his Greek jargon, this should read that one ‘UNCLEAN BREATH went out and got seven other UNCLEAN BREATHS and entered into this man to dwell there!

    That is how ridiculous this HERETIC’S teaching is!!!

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    • Turnthoume
      Jan 15, 2013 @ 12:10:34

      Turnthoume, your comments will no longer be allowed on this blog.
      It is obvious that you are blind in your biblical assessments in understanding the truth. And this comment has been removed for it reveals your insincerity in honestly contending for the truth as presented in the Lord’s word.
      You do not ask questions, you provide no scriptural proof where Mike has failed, you just pick and chose what is convenient in the realm of what YOU have believed by Jim Brown to be the truth.

      We have stated we do not need to be fluent in Greek or Hebrew in understanding the Lord’s word.

      If the Lord desires us NOT to allow a false teacher in our home, I will not support one in my blog.

      If you try to leave a comment it will not be approved.
      Thank you…..
      In His Eternal Love……..

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  9. Lawrence
    Jan 14, 2013 @ 23:03:58

    Lawrencelfis492a here,

    I’m still looking through this blog. But want to comment. i need to get some rest and can’t finish reading it.

    It was mentioned that ““rabbinic teachers” are NOT Christian” It’s funny you said that because jim brown says the same thing. I don’t know if you truly studied the materials that he puts out or just saw one video and came to bad conclusions. there’s over 3000 studies. He teaches the truth. Tells about the babylonian synagog and talmud etc. etc.

    You read the “wiki” article and skipped down to the bottom of the article and then pointed out ONE point in there. The above point is important. HEBREWS used it. it doesn’t matter the original development of the usage of it. But it does matter that a group of people or culture is USING IT.

    Being upset about the WAY he teaches doesn’t declare the truth to be a lie. My name is Lawrence. Fact. If someone yells my name out, snarls my name out or mumbles my name out doesn’t change that fact.

    RED baker, His people or God’s people? (your comment on talking to some members of the ministry) If you have children and they go out and say something that you don’t agree with does that make you the author of their statements?? Does it prove you taught them to say it? trust me EVERY FAMILY has issues. the Body of Christ the word of God, the holy spirit of truth in the church has many members making one body. one has a measure of faith different from another. many experiences in life help to mold a persons understanding and it’s the holy spirit of truth that will deal with all the body. taking a few believers comments and discussions and putting them on their teacher totally is not right. (if you are doing that)

    I will finish reading the blog at another time but so far I see flesh clouding the truth that comes from the word of God through jim.

    Agape

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  10. cal4u
    Jan 15, 2013 @ 00:20:17

    Lawrence, thanks for dropping by and reading the blog, I do hope and pray the Lord will give you understanding so that you can come to know the truth.

    It is obvious you are not understanding the language written in this blog, Jim Brown utilizes the Gematra, it’s roots are in the “occult” practices of the Kabbalah, which was brought about by “rabbinical Jewish teachers” during the Medieval times. If Jewish teachers developed this system of learning, then why should we, the children of light use tools that was developed by “unsaved” men. This is what Jim Brown is doing. You can not deny that truth.

    None of us need to know Greek, nor do we need to know Hebrew text to understand the Lord’s Word. Jim Brown has stated that the “English Language is a Harlot language”. It is NOT true. The Lord has used the English in my bible through the Holy Spirit to teach me what I know and what I understand. I had no need for the Greek or the Hebrew text, it’s that plan and simple.

    And yes I can be upset on how he presents himself with his loud railing language because that is NOT how the Holy Spirit works, I can base it on how the Lord talks with me, and according to His Word as follows:
    Jas 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
    Jas 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
    Jas 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
    Jas 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
    Jas 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
    Jas 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

    You also use “fleshly” human reasoning in your arguments, and that is a trait you learned from Jim Brown, and that holds no water with me. You have not used one scripture to back up what you believe, I have. You have a clouded mind, and unless you break from this man, you will be lead further along into unbelief. And that is the fruit given by a heretic.

    Jim Brown is not of the Lord, does not know the Lord, does not walk in the Spirit of Grace. This I know to be true. I pray “if” you are the Lords, then He will bring you out from those that deceive you by preaching another Jesus, and a different Gospel. Because being His Child He shall deliver you from all unrighteousness it’s His promise. I know he has delivered me from cults and men/women who teach according to their fleshly lusts and darkened minds.

    In His Eternal Love…….

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    • Clinton Baltazor
      Jan 26, 2014 @ 04:25:40

      My name is Clinton M Baltazor and I am a baby sheep, and yet it is easy to see you are a goat! Pastor Jim Brown preaches truth, I guess God did not gives you ears to hear or eyes to see. You sir are nothing but smoke and mirrors.

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      • cal4u
        Jan 26, 2014 @ 12:04:21

        Dear Clinton,
        Just by your own words ” I am a baby sheep,” Reveals your lack of discernment and understanding of the Lord’s Word. “If” you truly are the Lord’s sheep, He shall deliver you out from the “snare of the fowler”.

        Babes in Christ are an easy prey for wolves, for they lack true biblical knowledge and understanding in the ways of the Lord, so therefore are easily deceived. I know when I was a babe in Christ I was caught in a snare of bondage to a cult due to my lack of understanding. But the Lord delivered me out from the snare of deception and doctrine of demons.

        I praise and bless His name for within Him is ALL TRUTH found, not in man.

        I pray the Lord will open your eyes of understanding and guide you into His Truth, so that you will be separated from this Jim Brown and his control over you.

        Thank you for stopping by and taking the time to comment.

        In His Eternal Love……

  11. Fred Greeson
    Jan 31, 2013 @ 11:13:48

    Jim Brown, who reads the scriptures to command: self denial, death to self, and take up a daily cross, teaches wickedness? Take a look around at your “stuff”, and then confess that you deny self. Until you do, be quiet.

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    • cal4u
      Feb 05, 2013 @ 17:12:57

      Dear Fred, first I would like to state that just because someone, in this case Jim Brown, teaches “self denial”, “death to self” and “take up a daily cross”, does not mean he is walking in it. He denies the power thereof. Here are words from the Lord’s wonderful Holy book as read in English KJV;
      1Co_2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
      1Co_4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
      2Co_4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
      Eph_1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
      Eph_3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
      Eph_3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
      Eph_6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
      2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
      2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
      2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
      2Ti 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
      2Ti 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
      These scripture support that Jim Brown is found wanting. He walks NOT in the Power of the Holy Spirit, he does not know the Lord, and the Lord does not know him.
      Now it is your duty as a believer to point out specifically “where” I’m in error and not “dying to self”. For I see not where I’m NOT denying myself.

      I let God be God, and I will speak and proclaim all that is false as the Lord has taught me with discernment through the Power of His Holy Spirit. And to “shut up” (be quiet) is to succumb to your orders, where my orders come from the Lord, to stay quiet is to deny the truth that the Lord has revealed unto me and others who also confirm that Jim Brown is a heretic, and part of the Anti-Christ spirit.

      So I will gladly state, for me to stay quiet would be equivalent to me denying the very Christ which died on Calvary, and I’m not about to do that.

      May the Lord grant you the grace to see the lie that you are believing in, and following.

      In His Eternal Love……..

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  12. Todd Burgett
    Feb 09, 2013 @ 13:24:44

    Cal, I am here to give my comments and Scripture references for edification purposes only. Firstly, God gave a language for us all to speak and communicate worldwide and because of our disobedience that language was discarded and others were given, hence harlot languages. Secondly, If you have not yet realized that God is THE mathematician, you have not properly studied the word of God. The point of the gematria teachings are to show that God does use numbers in HIS creation and teachings. Thirdly, original sin is not negated by saying children are not condemned until they sin. We will sin at the age when we are able to discern the LAW, the Bible says so. Romans 5:13 For sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. 2 Samuel 12:23 But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.” Deuteronomy 1:39 Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil.

    Now onto the issue of twisting Jim’s word’s. Jim does not teach Kabbalah he uses gematria and this historical information to teach about God. They are tools in which he uses to give a panoramic view of the whole of Scripture. Jim teaches Bible…period. You have also used another piece of erroneous information to bring or sway people to your position..i.e. the article pulled from another post on the internet which is almost entirely false(I say almost because he uses actual peoples names and locations, just not his own name). Do yourself and others a favor try to stop being ignorant and dig more into your topic of discussion before embarking on any new posts. One evidence of your ignorance is your use of individual verses to point people to your views.

    On certain topics you say that Jim is wrong and then you provide no solid Scriptural proof of your charge.
    Jim say’s…
    Demons are “self” they are people serving self. Define the words and stop being fooled.
    Jim say’s…
    The Bible is full of lies. Wicked men lie, and they lie throughout the Bible. You have pulled Jim’s statement out of context again, instead of listening to the entire message you focus on one statement to label Jim a heretic or you are listening to hearsay. Either way you should not be perpetuating this misinformation.

    For example in one of your comments on the post you quoted 1 Cor 2:5 if we read the verses prior to this verse we will see that Jim does exactly what the verse describes.
    1 Corinthians 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
    Jim preaches from the KJV utilizing the Interlinear and Strong’s as well as other well known commentaries and historians. You pulled 1 Cor 2:5 out of context as well as 1 Cor 4:20, please look at the entire passage. This passage actually speaks well of men like Jim not against them. Here is the entire passage for your edification.. 1 Cor 4:14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you. 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. 17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.
    18 Now some are puffed up, as though I would not come to you. 19 But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power.
    I will not go on with telling you that pulling single verses out of the Bible to suit your discussion does not hold. If you read the entire Chapters that you have given notation for, you will find that Jim Brown teaches exactly the Words God has given for us in Scripture. You are in error because you are ignorant of that which you speak of. You have not studied the subject you are attempting to critique. God’s word tells us to dig into the word of Scripture not just peruse. I have a challenge for you, call Jim or even better visit with us and ask him to explain some of the Scriptures you have used to label him a heretic. Be prepared to prove your arguments with solid Scriptural information. From the information you have provided it seems as though you may still be on milk or have gone back to milk. Meat of the Word is much more than the false accusations you have leveled.

    Cal, I do not know you and I am not condemning you. I am only giving you Truth instead of hearsay and twisted statements. Jim is a man of God, he does deny self, he does carry his cross daily and He tries to provide Truth in a world that has been deceived. Jim loves the church, the whole church(all sheep).

    Todd Burgett

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    • cal4u
      Feb 11, 2013 @ 00:06:13

      Greetings Todd Burgett, thank you for partaking in this dialogue concerning the false teachings of Jim Brown. I can see you favour this man but unfortunately you have only defended him from an un-scriptural mindset.
      I still stand on the fact that English is not an “harlot language”, and one does not need to fully understand Greek to understand the Lord’s word. We have NOT disobeyed the Lord by discarding the Greek. The Lord and the Holy Spirit has not convicted me of such sin. Therefore it’s not sin.
      I also know and realize that the Lord does utilize numbers, there are meanings to numbers, but not to the extent of utilizing a tool which has it’s roots in Kabbalah, as explained above. I never said Mr. Brown “teaches Kabbalah”, nor did I ever “twist his words” in saying such a thing. I merely brought about the “history” from where Gematria came from, who developed it, and “how” it was used. Jim Brown is still using a tool NOT ordained by the Lord. Gematria was authored by unsaved Rabbincal teachers, therefore I would never use their works to understand the Lords Word, we have the Holy Spirit for that. As according to the Lord’s word, scripture is given above to support that conviction. Jim Brown is still guilty of using an occult tool, you may not think so, but the Lord’s Word informs me differently. I prefer to obey the Lord’s word, not yours, not Jim Browns.

      Now concerning your statement here:
      “You have also used another piece of erroneous information to bring or sway people to your position..i.e. the article pulled from another post on the internet which is almost entirely false(I say almost because he uses actual peoples names and locations, just not his own name). Do yourself and others a favor try to stop being ignorant and dig more into your topic of discussion before embarking on any new posts. One evidence of your ignorance is your use of individual verses to point people to your views.”

      First of all it’s not “erroneous”, except in your darkened mind and eyes. What this other brother in the Lord writes is not false, but correct and true, he heard the words directly from Jim Brown’s tapes,but you have not provided any specific’s “where” he was false. You are doing exactly what you have accused me of doing.

      Also you have tried to “order” me to stop from writing any more posts. That is not going to happen. I listened to Jim Brown’s tapes, as mentioned above in my posting. I don’t need to dig any further into Brown’s teaching before discussing, I’m guided by and given discernment through the Holy Spirit. Everything mentioned in this article is true to God’s Word. The verse given in my reply to a comment is NOT out of context, when read in context as follows:
      1Co 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
      1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
      1Co 2:3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
      1Co 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
      1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
      You see Todd, these scriptures do NOT support nor prove Jim Brown is a man of God, but supports my findings proving Jim Brown does not speak in or with the authority of the Holy Spirit. Jim Brown does not show any “demonstration of the Spirit and of Power,” he speaks using men’s darkened wisdom, and mathematical science (Gematria), according to the Lord’s word this is to be avoided: 1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
      1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
      I will walk with the Lord, and speak as the Holy Spirit teaches and reveals to me. I still stand against Jim Brown, and nothing will, as you politely tried to tell me, make me shut up. How can I when the Lord tells me to contend for the faith,
      May the Lord, “if” you are His elect, open your eyes to the truth, so that you may be saved.

      In His Eternal Love………

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      • Todd Burgett
        Feb 13, 2013 @ 12:17:49

        Todd this is your last posting, I have editied it and answered some of your statements. I need not allow anymore “heresy” in this blog.
        Anything more that you or other’s from this group may write, will be deleted. I don’t argue with misguided followers of heretics.

        “Cal First, I am not defending Jim, I am defending TRUTH.”
        Todd, again you don’t know what the truth is.

        I do utilize a Strong’s Concordance, that’s all I need.

        “To the matter of you not being convicted you are treading on a slippery slope.”
        I’m NOT treading on a slippery slope, I don’t accept that “type of judgement” from false believers. You do not have any authority over me.

        “Gematria”
        “Gematria is not used to understand God’s word it is an affirmation of God’s working in every line of Scripture and in this world.”
        Jim Brown utilizes it, that’s fact, I’ve given all the proof in the article. You are deceived, I’m not.
        “You said you believe God uses numbers.” Yes, there are meanings to numbers, but NOT to the extent that the occult tool Gematria portrays. There is NO BIBLE CODE.

        The ERRONEOUS post.
        “It is erroneous because I am an eyewitness and I have several other eyewitnesses who say it is erroneous, if you had read the post in it entirety
        including comments you would have seen this fact.”
        I know how “cults” perform. I was involved in one for a few years. Just because you and others are “eyewitnesses” means absolutely nothing. “The Blind leadeth the blind”
        As for your veiled so-call “Biblical threats”, cults also play that same card. It does not work with me.

        I stand on what I’ve said in this posting,nothing has changed and you are not walking in the Spirit.

  13. Fred Greeson
    Feb 27, 2013 @ 10:54:20

    Mark 8:34-35 (NIV) Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said, “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it.”

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    • cal4u
      Feb 28, 2013 @ 04:40:04

      Dear Fred G, Using this scripture does NOT support that Jim Brown is denying self. To deny self is to follow the Lord and His Gospel. As revealed in this article, Jim Brown does the opposite.

      To deny self means to die to ALL of our own “fleshly” understanding, to learn to walk in the Spirit of the Lord, and that comes from dying to self. Jim Brown does not walk in the Holy Spirit, he walks in the understanding of his own darkened mind, which is not Spirit, and it is not truth.

      To deny self is to die to all of our own fleshly understandings of God and His Ways. To deny self means to allow the Holy Spirit to teach us and give us understanding regarding the Lord’s word and then the Lord gives us the Power through the Holy Spirit to walk in His Ways, and the Gospel. Jim Brown is not being taught by the Holy Spirit. And he is “privately” interpreting the bible according to his darkened and fleshly heart.
      All of the following scriptures pertain to Jim Brown on “how” he is NOT walking according to the Lord’s word.

      1Jn 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
      1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
      1Jn 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
      1Jn 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

      Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
      Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
      Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
      Rom 12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
      Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
      Rom 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
      Rom 12:7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
      Rom 12:8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
      Rom 12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
      Rom 12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
      Rom 12:11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
      Rom 12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
      Rom 12:13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.
      Rom 12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
      Rom 12:15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
      Rom 12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
      Rom 12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
      Rom 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
      Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
      Rom 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
      Rom 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

      Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
      Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
      Eph 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
      Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
      Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
      Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
      Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
      Eph 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
      Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
      Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

      2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
      2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
      2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

      I pray the Lord will give you understanding through the Holy Spirit to see you support a false teacher. That’s “if” you truly be born again, by the spirit of the Lord and not by the will of man.
      In His Eternal Love…..

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  14. Vicki
    Aug 15, 2013 @ 11:02:52

    My father became involved in Jim Brown’s teachings about 3 years before he died in July 2012. He had previously been a church-going, saved-by-the blood Christian. I watched him go from a happy, fun-loving man to a sad, haunted person. Jim Brown’s teachings on predestination, Christmas & other ‘pagan’ holidays, demons, etc. affected my father so adversely! My father became almost alienated from his family because of these teachings. My father ordered tapes and supported his ministry much to the dismay of my mother and myself. I researched Jim Brown’s website/sermons and all seemed so unorganized and lacking to me. I could not watch much of any of them as they didn’t have any meaning. I did look at his ‘mission statement’ on his website and it is ‘predestination’ and nothing more. I guess if you believe that you can’t go any further! I watched my father in a nursing home die without hope because he had chosen to believe such lies! I couldn’t talk him through much of it and towards the end, he was not mentally able to understand. God will judge Jim Brown and I have faith in that. I pray that he deceives no more people!

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    • cal4u
      Aug 15, 2013 @ 16:09:40

      Dear Vicki,

      I am very much saddened that your father passed away in such a state of mind and heart. It truly is sickening that these false teachers wreck such persons faith, and affect their lives.
      I once was caught into a cult shortly after I became born again, (two or three months after my salvation) and was involved for a number of years, until we were raided by the police because of reported “abuse issues” by former members. It devastated me and I left the group, but my faith in what I believed seemed a lie, so I thought I was no longer saved, so I went back into the world. It took the Lord a few years to get me back to Him, because my faith was shipped-wrecked, by the “woman” leader of the “fellowship”. Many lives had been wrecked due to her unbiblical beliefs and teachings. She ‘twisted’ the word and changed it’s meaning. They were literally, “doctrine of demons”. So I fully understand the state your father was in, I also lost hope and faith in my Lord and my salvation. I thought I was a Judas. The woman pastor, leader, ended up spending 6 months in prison in Toronto for her offenses, but till this day she “thinks” she suffered for “righteousness sake”. She like Brown are under a Strong delusion.
      I’m so sorry for the suffering you, your mother, and your father endured. But the Lord is ever faithful to keep His Children from falling away. I take a chilling comfort in the Lord and His word when He states;Mat_18:6 “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”
      I like you found his sermons terribly confusing and not understandable, and yes, extremely “disorganized” in presentation. That is not the Spirit of our dear Lord, when He speaks and teaches us, and gives us the understanding, it is “PERFECTLY CLEAR” and corrects and/or edifies us in His ways.
      The Lord bless you and comfort your heart, and I agree with you, I pray the Lord will close this man down, and set free those that have been sucked into his lies.
      Please visit any time you like, and thank you for the encouragement with a personal testament and witness to this man’s deception and the pain that was caused due to it.
      In His Eternal Love

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    • terri farrell
      Apr 12, 2014 @ 02:53:03

      Hi Vicki,
      Hi Vicki
      I just read your post about your Dad and how he used to be a happy loving person before he became a Jim Brown follower. Everything about Jim Brown teaching is his own made up beliefs. He says “God doesn’t love everybody”, but the I know that isn’t true. He has my husband brainwashed, Jim’s teachings tells you not to
      share and celebrate with your family, and then his teachings continue to brainwash you by telling you that your family will hate you. It’s like because Jim said they will hate you, that’s what my husband wants. He’s so messed up because of Jim. My mother in-law passed away about a month ago and my husband refused to go to his own mothers wake & funeral. Oh my God it’s so bad. He can’t even be around his family as a normal person anymore. It’s really sad, it began about seven years ago. I do not follow Jim Brown teaching at all, I can’t stand how he yells and I think it’s stupid how he draws on his board. I can ask God in my
      prayers, to help him realize that Jim Brown’s teaching isn’t the truth…God is a loving God.. and I really don’t God forbids you to say ” Happy Birthday, Happy Mother Day, etc. Well thanks for your post..please say a prayer for my family

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  15. Believer
    Sep 05, 2013 @ 18:49:48

    Please read the Word of God for yourselves. Just recently God opened my eyes to face the demon in this man, Jim Brown, and how this ungodly spirit affect those others. I have been affiliated with this ministry, watching the DVDs the last 5 1/2 years. Have been attending the ministry the last 2 1/2 years until just recently. When trying to learn more about God’s word, Jim states to watch his DVDs. When talking to him about the word of God, Jim states that people want to argue with him when wanting to talk to him. When trying to talk to him about the contention and stife in the church the problem is other people and not him. Jim forgot to turn his microphone on one night and yelled at the camera crew for approximately five minutes at them in live-stream. My husband told me, “Now that’s the real Jim Brown.” My husband watched and heard this stife and anger in the man on live-stream; however, during the replay the recording artist silenced it so that it is not heard during the replay. Jim Brown told a woman that went there that she should have brought a bra and not being showing, “her tits” while having a one-on-one discussion with this woman. This woman didn’t have the money for a decent bra and instead of Jim’s wife, Mary, taking this woman to get a bra, Mary condemned this woman on a Friday night in the kitchen in a presence of a man, Greg Mayer. Jim preaches compassion and meekness, but does not do it. His wife and Jim were heard making comments in front of the presence of other believers about those being over-weight. Jim tells people attending the ministry not to call those that left, and more than like the reason is because the real truth of Jim’s evil deeds done to them will come to light.

    This lady that tried to explain to Jim that she did not the money to buy a bra, Jim yelled at her that she should have stuffed a towel underneath her shirt. Jim yelled at her and told this woman, “You’ll never be a preacher’s wife.” This woman is married to a wonderful husband and why Jim would say this would only indicate his sexual desire for this woman. When this woman tried to read scripture, Jim yelled at her, “I know what it says!! I know what it says!!!” Instead of this man sitting back and embracing the word of God being read to him, he yelled the more and started trying to quote it over her reading it. This woman stated that she was reading Ephesians 1. Jim accused this woman just from reading the Bible of twisting God’s word and fitting it to her lifestyle. Jim told her that she had no gift, and that she is pretending to have a gift, and that her acting spiritual was an act. Jim Brown got on this woman for writing and taking notes in her bible stating that she was trying to prove something, yet he does not look at how his books are all marked up. And Jim told her about writing scripture about not gossiping on the outside of her bible. Yet Jim writes in all his bibles and books and wear scriptures on his tee shirts. A true believer does not have to wear scriptures or their love for God on their shirts, because the love of God is written in their hearts and in their walk revealing the Holy Spirit of the Lord inside them. Jim Brown yelled at this woman and treated her like scum and said to her, “I’m surprised your not crying yet.” Instead of trying to lift this woman up, he was yelling at her and telling her that her God is a twisted God. He wanted to tear and rip her apart, spiritually and physically.

    This lady that spoke to me said that she had seen this same reaction during the time Jim was yelling at her, but could not remember where she saw it. The next day, she recalled the scene of the movie, The Exorcist. She told me that what was happening was a real exorcism, and that Jim is possessed with a demon. Proof of this was while at the picnic on June 29, 2013, Jim Brown wore a shirt that said “Cult Leader”. The name Jim wrote on his name tag was “David Koresh.” Notice the works. Should an stranger had come to the picnic that stranger would have thought the people there was a satanic group due to the shirt worn and the name tag Jim Brown. There were no bibles or books at the picnic. Little does Jim know that the new people that came left to never return due to seeing the working of Jim Brown and the message he portrayed on his shirt and name tag. Jim Brown does not even stop to think or ponder the thought or think and mediate and ask himself, “What would Jesus do and say? And how would He respond?“ When a man has to wear scriptures on a shirt to get people’s attention of God, it shows that God is not in his heart. He bragged during the letter reading of making fun of people’s e-mails when reading them with other people downstairs in his basement. To do this is to make fun of other people’s sin. To make fun of people is a sin in itself.

    Jim Brown is not doing the truth. God‘s words clearly states, “He that doeth truth cometh to the light.” “He that doeth righteousness, is righteous” “Walk in the truth and thou shalt not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.” “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.” God commands us to be spiritually minded and to think on things above. To not look at the things seen, but the unseen things. For a man, Jim Brown, to sit one-on-one with a woman and to describe a woman’s breasts as “tits”, tells you where this man’s mind is, and is evidently true that Jim had played in to many bars, and is continuing to live in the drunkenness of a bar of Babylon due to still using the dirty filthy bar language to describe the most precious gift God gave a woman. The breasts on a woman is a beautiful part of the body to describe love in God’s word, “The Song of Solomon“. And for Jim, who calls himself a preacher of God to use such filthy words to describe a body part, and to call the Holy Spirit, the gift of God an act, is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

    Jim states that he takes the baby sheep and are compassionate to them. To say this and to do the opposite is a lie. Jim Brown is contradicting God’s word by saying one thing and doing another, which is the workings of satan, and is antichrist. Jim Brown said that people have sin and that it dies slowly and when they get older we have less sin. God spoke through this woman and told Jim that her God is powerful and can cut off the flesh immediately. This woman was confronted with satan face to face on Friday night, August 9, 2013. This woman stated that when Jim was condemning her, that she felt the presence of the Holy Ghost come upon her and completely dwelling within her. When this woman came downstairs to the basement she stated that Dave Tuckmantle was down there along with two other people. She said that she started to walk out the door when leaving the basement area, and God stopped her and made her turn around giving Jim Brown a hug, and she told Jim that she loved him. She walked out the door and wiped the dust off her feet.

    God commands us to go and sin no more. All of Paul’s writing states that we are not to sin. God is going to cause us to walk righteously because He is GOD and not us. He is powerful when we are weak. His promise of dwelling among us and inside us states this in 2 Corinthians 6:3-18, “Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership does righteousness have with lawlessness? And what fellowship does light have with darkness? And what agreement does Christ have with Belial? Or what part does a believer have with an unbeliever? And what agreement does a temple of God have with idols? For you are a temple of the living God, even as God said, “I will dwell in them, and walk among them; and I will be their God and they shall be My people.” Because of this come out from among them, and be separated, says the Lord, and do not touch the unclean thing; and I will receive you. And I will be a Father to you , and you will be sons and daughters to Me, says the Lord Almighty.” Notice, this is what God is going to do dwelling in us and among us. He is our God and we are His temple and take note that this is God speaking, he states that He is our God dwelling in us. He is going to cause us to come out from among them and be separated and to not touch the unclean thing, and he will receive us because we belong to Him. All that the Father gave Him, He will lose none.

    Notice that it states further in 2 Corinthians 7, “then having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilements of flesh and of spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” Notice that Paul is stating to be “perfect” now. Not when we get old. To say that God does not have the power and that it takes Him years to bring His elect to perfection is to blaspheme the power of God, His Holy Spirit. Remember, what was stated earlier, What agreement does Christ have with Belial.” Christ is not going to have his dwelling place defiled or have any part of Belial. Every knew will bow and every tongue will confess. The Holy Spirit is going to make this flesh bow before Him and will cause us to confess the power and glory of God within us. The light of God is not going to dwell in the darkness of this flesh.

    2 Corinthians 11:14 – 15 “Did not satan marvelously transform himself into an angel of light? It is not a great thing, then, if also his ministers transform themselves as ministers of righteousness; whose end will be according to their works.” Look at the work of Jim Brown, it speaks for itself.

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    • cal4u
      Sep 08, 2013 @ 10:59:50

      Dear Believer,

      First, I would like to give the Glory to the Lord for opening your eyes to the truth of this false teacher and causing you to leave Jim Brown’s group.
      Secondly, the Lord is your avenger, for it is the Lord which has seen the evil workings of this man. Jim Brown walks NOT in the light of God’s Word but walks according to the wicked workings of his own darkened heart. Jim Brown is NOT born again from above
      Jas 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
      Jas 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
      Jas 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
      Jas 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
      Jas 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
      Jas 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

      I need to ask, did your husband go to Jim Brown’s meetings with you? Is your husband a born again Christian? I only ask this to receive a clearer picture, because you did state when watching a “live-stream” your husband stated “Now that’s the real Jim Brown.” And he was correct in his judgement.
      Jim Brown was totally out of order according to the Lord’s council on HOW His Body is to function. It is the husbands duty to teach the wife as stated in:

      1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
      1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
      1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

      I’m hoping that your husband accompanied you to the meetings, for your husband is the protector, and the wife is under subjection to him, as stated in scripture:

      Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
      Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
      Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
      Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

      Another transgression by Jim Brown is that a man should serve or minister to a man, and a woman is to minister/serve unto a woman. So many followers who are truly born again do not walk according to the Lord’s order of how the Body is to conduct themselves, many are immature in the workings of the Lord, and He has had written His Ways in His Word, and it was done for our PROTECTION.
      It is so grieving to the Spirit how His children are being abused by so many false teachers, those that are WOLVES in SHEEPs clothing, heirlings that have no love for nor towards His Sheep. And WOE unto all that are a stumbling block unto His Children.
      The greatest comfort we true believers may know is that Jesus Christ is our Saviour and Protector and He will deliver us from those that walk NOT in His Ways and walk in the ways of Satan.

      The Lord bless you and keep you.
      In His Eternal Love……

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      • predestinatedbychrist
        Sep 08, 2013 @ 16:51:26

        Thank you. God has taken a tremendous amount of weight off my shoulders and made me know that it’s all about conforming to Him and not to man.

        My husband is a believer and loves God. My husband taught interview and interrogation at the police academy for years with over 40 years law enforcement experience. My husband warned me about Jim and Mary and I did not heed the warning due to wanting to fit in with people that stated they love God. My husband was an expert witness for k9 drug investigation and reading body language. He told me that Jim and Mary didn’t like me especially after I sent an email to Jim in December 2010 correcting him for instructing a brother to lie to get people to watch the Utube by making bad comments about Jim. I emailed Jim and told him that a lie was not needed to get people to listen and hear God’s word and is deception. My husband told me then that when a person tells someone to lie is a liar himself, and that his life evolves around a lie. God says no liar will inherit the Kingdom of God.

        For a person to use a lie to mix with God’s word is evil. Jim Brown asked this brother to lie during the letters reading when we visited first part of November 2010. And is on DVD.

        Thank you for your love of God. May those under the spell of this man watch it and realize to see these lies. It has been told to me that Jim lied about what he said to me during the teaching today reference the blog posted here. But God knows the truth and will judge Jim accordingly.

        Ellie

  16. Believer
    Sep 05, 2013 @ 20:30:43

    To avoid any confusion, the woman that was confronted with satan in Jim Brown is me. So this story is coming from the source first hand. God is my witness, and God will judge accordingly. My thinking before getting with Jim on Augutst 9th, was that evil communication was corrupting Jim. Jim Brown yelled at me that I was not humbled, yet God had me sit quietly and be condemned without saying a word while Jim was yelling and screaming at me. Jim is not God. God requires me to be humbled before Him, not Jim. However, God let me see that it is not evil communication affecting Jim, it is Jim’s evil communication affecting others. People at Grace and Truth know how Jim is; however, they fear to be honest with him, and they tell him that people leave Grace and Truth because they are jealous of Jim. When they tell Jim this they are building up Jim’s flesh and are scared to be truthful with him causing everything to evolve around a “lie”. Jim knows what he said to me. People with Grace and Truth saw the doing at the picnic and the Occult Shirt with David Koresh on the name tag Jim wore. They know the truth, yet they are fear Jim and not God. When a ministry causes man to fear men and not God there is a grave error in message. When people fear Jim and not God, God is being left out of the equation. There is a thought just recently written by me to another brother, and it is to be thought out very carefully. Here is it:

    Paul states in the word for us to be mature with the full knowledge of Christ. Let’s do an equation. A student is in the classroom and is told to write on the board 2 + 2 = and the answer, and then is told to go and pick up the number of blocks off the table regarding the answer to the equation. The student goes to the board and writes on the board 2 + 2 = 4. The student then goes to the table and picks up 6 blocks off the table believing that what he picked up was correct. Does the student have the full knowledge?

    Paul commands us to come to the full knowledge of Christ. Remember, when Paul wrote these letters some of these were the first letters written to the church, and Paul is already instructing them to come to the full knowledge and maturity in Christ. Christ instructed those that He healed to, “Go and sin NO MORE, less a worse thing come upon you.”

    God’s word is spiritual, and God commands us to be spiritually minded. Never in my entire life has anyone told me that the workings of the Holy Spirit in me was an act. And for a man, Jim Brown, to claim that he loves God and make such a statement is antichrist, and is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, a sin that is never forgiven. God have mercy on this man’s soul. Jim will be held accountable in the presence of God for speaking there is no gift in me, when God clearly states that “Faith is the gift of God.” This gift is from God and for any man to call God’s gift an act will stand accountable before God.

    My name is Ellie Cooper. What Jim Brown said to me is a true statement by me and God is my witness.

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    • predestinatedbychrist
      Sep 08, 2013 @ 00:15:50

      Dear Predestinated by Christ,

      I am editing this letter in this manner to be able to deal with some of your statements as presented, and it saves time and space.
      I just want to state that I truly see the sincerity and the meekness of heart and your teachable spirit in desiring to walk in the ways of the Lord. And whatever is stated by me should be searched out to make sure it follows according to scriptures in the context it is written. It has taken years for me to understand how the Lord desires us to “understand” His Word, and it doesn’t stop, He is still teaching me His Ways, and His Wisdom through the unction of His Holy Spirit, we need NOT to totally depend upon man, but His Holy Spirit:
      1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

      There are a few items that I would like to clarify so that you may know the mind of our Lord in ALL things, for your good and the good of your household.

      Dear Brothers and Sisters:

      It has gotten to me that there are people going to possibly show up tomorrow to confront Jim on all his fleshly doings. Yes, it was wrong for me to have e-mailed all of you what Jim said to me. Please forgive me for sending my e-mail to you. It was wrong and my fault for not waiting on God do deal with Jim in His timing, and due to my reacting abruptly, God has convicted my heart to ask God, Mary and Jim, and you for forgiveness. Please do not go with the intention of jumping on Jim and Mary as I did in my e-mail. Two wrongs don’t make it right.

      Even though Jim Brown said those things to me, and as bad as it hurt me, my heart still has compassion for Jim and Mary, and regardless what people may think or say, I will always love them and you. And even though Jim will probably say some very horrible things about me during the teaching, that’s okay. It’s meant to be.

      Now concerning this content, do not allow your compassion for Jim and Mary cloud the issue at hand, the Lord hates those that lift themselves to the place of God. Jim and his wife both cause “believers” to worship them, they are instigating idolatry. If and when Jim says evil things about you, it’s NOT okay, and it is not meant to be. It’s Jim’s evil heart which puts ALL down to lift himself up. It’s sad to say but it is called DELUSION an DECEIT. I’m glad to see you turning the other cheek, and shows a humble heart.

      We must remember in times like this, it is important that we come together for all of us to realize our mistakes so that we repent individually before God, and repent together as a body of Christ. Let’s not use this time to say, “he said, she said”, as was inappropriately done by me.

      Concerning this I understand your position, but you were only stating facts, and we need not our heart to condemn us for being real, and shocked by what took place, our Lord understands what we have gone through.

      Please do not jump on Mary and Jim. If anyone needs to be jumped on is me. Let Jim say what he needs to say about me and let God do the rest.

      No one needs to jump on you, you acted out of place, for your husband is the one who should have taken the proper action in dealing with Jim Brown, not you, that is where you erred but out of ignorance. As the Lords word states:
      1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
      1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
      1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
      1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
      1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

      God’s timing is always right. Maybe in the future, Lord willing, it will be possible for Jim and Mary to sit down with me to allow me to read the word of God to them.

      Dear sister this is not your place to bring correction upon this false teacher and cult leader, “IF” it be the Lord’s will, it will be up to your husband and you, and ONLY “IF” they have repented and confessed their sins. Other wise we are NOT to allow any false teacher into our homes, nor support them. Please view scriptures given above.

      Remember and don’t ever forget that what is impossible for man, is possible with God.

      James 5:19 – 20 “If anyone among you goes astray from the truth, brothers, and anyone turns him back, knowing that the one turning a sinner from the error of his way will save the soul from death, and will hide a multitude of sins.”

      Again dear sister this scripture is taken out of context and lacking understanding, what James is speaking about is one who has been saved but walked into error, as you did through ignorance, by getting involved with Jim Brown’s cult. This is talking about what to do when a believer diverts from the truth of the word, or through backsliding. You see this scripture should not be used in context with Jim Brown and his wife, they neither know the Lord. Jim Brown did not backslid, he has never known the ways of the Lord to start with, and was not born of the Holy Spirit. I’ve read and heard his testimony, and it is greatly lacking.
      Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
      Tit 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
      Tit 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.
      Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
      Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
      Tit 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
      This is the true picture of who Jim Brown, his wife and this cult is.

      Please don’t take tomorrow to destroy Jim and Mary. Instead, let us take this time to examine ourselves closely and to stand in truth before God.

      Your heart is in the right place dear sister, but it is still learning on how the Lord desires us to walk, so let us ALL learn to walk in a Godly order according to the Light of His Word.
      2Co_4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
      Eph_5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
      1Jn_1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

      Grace and peace to you all.

      You and your husband be blessed and dwell in the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ.
      In His Eternal Love……

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    • cal4u
      Sep 08, 2013 @ 11:41:12

      Dear Believer (Ellis Cooper),

      Yes this is certainly a “first hand witness” of the workings of the wicked ministry of Jim Brown and I thank you and the Lord for giving you the strength to testify of what evil is worked within his group.

      I pray that the Lord will bring full healing to you within your heart and soul, and that you are forgiving Jim Brown and his wife their transgressions. That shows the meekness and the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

      When I read concerning the “T-shirts” that was worn by Jim Brown at the picnic, I trembled at the pride of this man’s heart. Jim Brown is a CULT LEADER plain and simple. He is NOT of God but of the devil, for we are to judge all things by”their fruit”:
      Mat_7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
      Mat_7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
      Mat_7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
      Mat_12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
      Gal_5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
      Eph_5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

      Now I would like to caution you that you need NOT try to correct this man, first it is not your place according to scripture, your husband is the one that should do biblical correction in standing against this man and his wife. You need to just place everything in the Lord’s hand, and just dwell with the Lord with your husband as your spiritual leader in your home. Many people are separating themselves unto the Lord without going to the various cults and organized(traditional) churches, most are not walking after the Lord’s pattern within the status quo of today’s religious churches and are of the Anti-Christ system.

      I also suffered from being involved with a cult many years ago, I saw the wrecking of marriages, physical abuse, spiritual abuse, the separation of families all done by a woman pastor, and so called prophetess, who was also a teacher of and supporter of “Doctrine of Demons”. I loved the people involved with the group, and it was tough to leave them, but we had been raided by the local police department due to the abuses, and she did end up serving 6 months of prison time, and till this day she feels she suffered for so-called “righteousness sake”. She is deluded and believes in a lie and the Lord gives people of this stature over to deception.
      It shipped wrecked my faith but the Lord brought me back unto Himself, and taught me and is still teaching me His Ways, and once taught to know HOW to walk according to His Ways, we will come to discern more quickly those that walk unruly.

      I would also ask your permission to remove your email address from the comment, because you may end up receiving threatening emails from those that are faithful followers of this heretic, and we are commanded NOT to communicate with anyone that follows those that are false teachers, here is our biblical authority to do so:
      Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
      Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
      Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
      Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
      Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
      Eph 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
      Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
      Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
      Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
      Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
      Eph 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
      Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
      Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
      Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
      Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
      We at times, while immature in the ways of the Lord do get caught up with false teachers, but it is due to “ignorance”, and we should not be condemned by it. We just ask the Lord to forgive our ignorance, and cleanse us from it, and He does, Let no FALSE GUILT try to over take you, for our dear sweet Lord is totally understanding our weaknesses, but He is ever faithful to deliver us from ALL EVIL!
      The Lord bless you and keep you and I am here for you as your husband allows. You need his permission to talk with me, but I would be open to talk with him “if” he is truly a Christian.

      In His Eternal Love……

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  17. Believer
    Sep 10, 2013 @ 10:07:07

    Dear Cal4U:

    People have informed me what Jim B. said about me was twisted by me and is a lie and that he did not say this. Below is exactly what happened and Jim B. knows this. My heart goes out to Vicki and her mom. What happened to her dad was exactly what was happening to me. Jim B. told people to not have any fellowship with me; however, how can something be cut off that never happened to begin with. There has bteen little or no fellowship in discussing the word of God with people. Cal4U, when going to their Friday night DVD packaging, so many people there told me that they were disappointed because no one wanted to talk about God. They said they moved here for the fellowship and that it never happened; and, for some reason, these very same people are now, for some reason, forgetting that they ever said this things.

    The names of who the people are will not be mentioned by me on here, but they know who they are. I’m not mad at Jim B. nor his wife, Mary B. There is no hate in me for them, except for their sin.

    Jim is telling them to not have fellowship with me; yet he forgets that before all this the last three weeks it has been me not attending due to Jim and his sin. Jim must repent, but not to me, to God. Jim asked a person the other day if he is a godly man. For Jim to ask another man this instead of God truly shows that Jim himself is trying to please man. This is a question Jim should be asking God and not trying to get the godly approval from a man.

    A member with G&T came to see me today with words of love in the Lord. It is a blessing to see that God allows those of His to follow His steps and not that of man. This member briefed me on what was said by Jim to everyone.

    On Friday, August 9, 2013, I went to Jim’s house due to him telling me that he needed to talk to me. I went there and as I was walking up the drive, Eric, Mary’s son, was on the riding mower with it shut off talking to Jim who was standing on the top of the step near his front door.

    I walked around to the back and entered the rear of their house into the basement. As I walked in Dave Tuckmantle was in the kitchen preparing the food for the Friday night gathering. I got there approximately 5:15 pm so that Jim could speak to me before people arrived at 6:00 pm. Dave asked me how things were going and I acknowledge that all was okay.

    I sat down at the table near the door going into the laundry area in the basement. Suddenly the door going up to Jim and Mary’s house open and Mary yelled down to Dave to warn him and said, “Dave, she’s here!” When Dave heard it he quickly went over there to quiet her due to her tone of voice. There was silence and I knew that from the tone of voice Mary had hatred for me and despised my being there.

    When Dave started coming back from the steps going up to their home upstairs, I got up and said to Dave, “Maybe I should come back another time.” And I started to open the door to walk out. Dave told me, “Jim wants to talk to you.” I told Dave that it was best for me to not be here. Dave told me that Mary was yelling at him to let him know that I was coming up the drive and that I could help him with the food. I looked at Dave and knew he was lying to me, and he knew that I knew he was lying to me.

    I could tell that Mary was sick from the sound of her voice. She sounded very congested with a rough harsh sound of a head cold. I sat back down and approximately three to four minutes later Jim came down the stairs and didn’t acknowledge me and walked straight to the kitchen area, and was there with Dave for approximately a minute. Jim came out of the kitchen and walked past me and said for me to come upstairs.

    I went upstairs and Jim told me to sit where I needed to and that he didn’t get a chance to straighten up. I sat down in the big leather chair near the door going into the kitchen area facing the sitting area of the television. Past that the hallway going to the study, and down other 10 to 15 feet the master bedroom could be seen on the left with the door open. I could hear what sounded like a television going in the master bedroom. I could hear a program and then commercials. Jim stated that Mary had been sick and is in bed.

    Jim sat on the big leather sofa and was facing me, looking into the kitchen area with his voice reflecting away from the hallway. Not one time was it possible for me to complete my sentence or discuss anything with Jim. Every time words tried to come off my lips Jim interrupted me and would not let me finish speaking.
    Approximately 45 to 50 minutes into Jim yelling at me, Eric, came in through the kitchen door from the basement area. Eric spoke to Jim about the mowing and Jim got up and gave Eric some money. Eric said he was going to see his mom before he left. While sitting there, I saw Eric walk down the hallway and through the door the very back left room of the house. The sound of the television came down. After that I did not hear the sound get turned back up.

    Jim made the disgusting comments to me before Eric came upstairs from mowing the yard. There was a sound of a television coming from the back left rear bedroom until Eric came upstairs. And the sound was loud as if the person in the back room wanted to keep from hearing what was being said to me.

    There was no one else in the room, around the corner or in the kitchen. If someone was truly listening, why would it be from the back bedroom with disruption from an object producing another sound to muffle out the sound of Jim yelling at me from the other room?

    Jim is telling people that Mary was around the corner listening to what he said to me. Mary was not in the room, nor anywhere near by to hear clearly what Jim said to me. However, there was a witness in the room, and that witness is the All Knowing, Magnificent, Powerful God. He hears and sees all things. Thank be to God!!!!

    Vicki, my heart goes out to you and your mom. Thank you for posting what you did about your dad. Lord knows, that He was separating me from this group before telling on here what happened to me. It was in me to not say anything about what Jim said to me until reading your blog on this site. If what is written by me can prevent another life from being destroyed by this man’s sin, then Thanks be to God!!!

    Know that your dad was an elderly man and due to what happened to him it is known that he was truly seeking God. And our Lord knows this, and will hold those accountable for misleading him to have hatred in his heart. The same thing was happening to me. When moving here in February 2011, there was so much excitement in me to grow close to the Lord and when first attending G&T, I would turn around and look at people sitting in the ministry and commented with a smile on my face how beautiful everyone was sitting there. Jim said to me, “It won’t last for long.” That comment by Jim has always been sitting back in my mind. A man of God is to build up the church, to edify Christ. This comment is for tearing down and destroying.

    Vicki, God used your dad to save others out of the fire. God has not forgotten that zeal and love your dad had for Him. Nor will He ever. And even though your dad may have hatred in his heart, it more than likely was not against God, but against Jim. The reason for saying this, is because this hatred was growing inside of me, and I to was doing the exact same thing your dad did. The hatred growing in me was not at God, but for the way these people acted, and due to this hatred it was being reflected on my husband, and those loved by me dearly.

    Let this comfort you Vicki. God had this happen to me so that it was possible for me to let you know this regarding your dad. So that you can be at peace and rest in the Lord.

    God bless you sister.

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    • cal4u
      Sep 11, 2013 @ 06:32:44

      Dear Believer,

      Thank you once again for your witness of what took place and the offenses done unto you, and the lies and deceit that they are partaking in to make themselves look good and you look evil. But our dear Lord stated that would happen, Paul himself suffered this type of persecution, so we shall not escape this type of slander when standing for the truth.

      I need to re-iterate that you need to separate yourself from this group and ALL who still attend this cult. You need to trust the Lord that He will cause others to separate and come out from among them, just obey Him, and your husband and leave all into the hands of the Lord.

      Don’t seek out what Jim Brown or anyone else is saying against you, the Lord knows all of this, just get alone with the Lord and let him guide you into the next step of HIS will, not yours.

      I would also suggest that you not meet with anyone nor talk any longer with those who are reporting too you. “IF” you find you need to speak to them, do it in a public place with your husband. I need to repeat your husband is the head of the household and over you, and it is your husband’s duty to speak on behalf of you and the Gospel.

      We are expected to follow the Lord’s order on how to conduct ourselves if we decide not to once shown the light, you will suffer the consequences, but our dear Lord is long-suffering, and patient with us.

      And I thank you for sharing your witness against this group, and that you’ve come out from amongst them, now let them go and move on into the true things of the Lord, forgive, forget, and drop. I pray the Lord bring healing in all areas that have affected your life through this group.

      In His Eternal Love…….

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  18. Believer
    Sep 15, 2013 @ 20:17:01

    Dear CAL4U and Readers:

    It is so sad when people joke and make fun of other people by inappropriate actions and words. God’s word specifically instructs us not to joke or have foolish talking. It has been told to me that my feelings are worn on my sleeve and that those feelings were ridiculed in the presence of others.

    It is sad that a person proclaiming to be a “man of God” fails significantly to understand the beautiful feelings that God gave to a woman. God gave women hormones that are different from a man. Women are specifically made to nurture the children. To hold them close to her bosom and to feed them while smiling upon them with tears of joy flowing down her cheek. Yet, it has been told to me that I was wearing my feelings on my sleeve. God has made women emotional so that the love within the woman can be expressed with deep concern and feelings to her husband and children. When the man or child is sick, the woman is there to cry and pray for them with the most constant gentleness of never ending nourishment and healing by being dedicated to stay by their bedside to heal them back to health. A woman acting in the capacity of the duty that God has given her is in no way accused by God as wearing her feelings on her sleeves.

    Jim Brown supposedly stated this about me, and in doing so is tearing down, destroying and contradicting the way God has made women. Women are more emotional than men. It is a known fact. He is destroying and ridiculing the way God made women and thinks that a woman is to be like a man, or have feelings like a man. Little does Jim Brown know that we must come as the wife, the bride of Christ. This man needs to take a few lessons from women on: how to be compassionate, tender hearted, loving with an extended hand to assist those in need and are sick, and to embrace and hold others close during times of distress and trouble with unending love and kisses. Yet, according to Jim when a woman does this with tears of joy or sorrow, according to him she is wearing her feelings on her sleeves.

    In reading Luke 7:36-50 “And a certain one of the Pharisees asked Him that He eat with him. And going into the Pharisee’s house, He reclined. And, behold, a woman who was a sinner in the city, knowing that He reclined in the Pharisee’s house, taking an alabaster vial of ointment and standing at His feet, weeping behind Him, she began to wash His feet with tears. And she was wiping them with the hairs of her head. And she ardently (with warmth, compassion and affection) kissed His feet, and was anointing them with the ointment. But seeing, the Pharisee who invited Him spoke within himself, saying, This one, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what the woman is who touches Him; for she is a sinner. And answering, Jesus said to the man, Simon, I have a thing to say to you. And he said, Teacher, say it. There were two debtors to a certain creditor; the one owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. But they not having a thing to pay, he freely forgave both. Then which of them do you say will love him most? And answering Simon said, I suppose the one to whom he freely forgave the most. And He said to him, You have judged rightly. And turning to the woman, He said to Simon, Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give water for My feet, but she washed My feet with tears, and wiped off with the hairs of her head. You gave Me no kiss, but she from when I entered did not stop reverently kissing My feet. You did not anoint My head with oil, but she anointed My feet with ointment. For this reason I say to you, her many sins are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, he loves little. And He said to her. Your sins are forgiven. And those reclining with Him began to say within themselves. Who is this who even forgives sins? But he said to the woman, Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”

    Notice that Jesus was pointing out the difference of mindset of compassion, tenderness and love that is different between a man (Simon) and this woman. Jesus tells Simon, “You did not give water for My feet….You gave Me no kiss….You did not anoint My head with oil.” Oh, how this woman loved Christ, and Jesus lifted up this woman and didn’t condemn her by stating, “She had her feelings on her sleeve.” But if this is the world’s view of the love of Christ that‘s in me, then “Praise be to God!!!”

    God’s word strictly states that as a child of God we are to walk and to be imitators of God, now. Ephesians 5:1-21 “Then be imitators of God, as beloved children, and walk in love, even as Christ also loved us, and gave Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for an odor of a sweet smell. But let not be named among you fornication, and all uncleanness, or greediness, as is fitting for saints; also filthiness, and foolish talking, or joking — the things not becoming — but rather thanksgiving. For be knowing this, that every fornicator, or unclean one, or covetous one, who is an idolater, has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for through these the wrath of God comes on the sons of disobedience. Then do no be partners with them; for you then were darkness, but now light in the Lord — walk as children of light. For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth, proving what is well-pleasing to the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even reprove them. For it is shameful even to speak of the things being done by them in secret. But all things being exposed by the light are clearly revealed, for everything having been revealed is light. Therefore, He say, “Arise, sleeping one, and stand up out of the dead ones, and Christ will shine on you.” Then watch how carefully you walk, not as unwise, but as wise one, redeeming the time, because the days are evil. For this reason, do not be foolish, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. And do not be drunk with wine, in which is debauchery, but be filled by the Spirit, speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and praising in your heart to the Lord, giving thanks at all times for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, even to God the Father, having been subject to one another in the fear of God.”

    God is walking with me and is helping to move on from this horrible experience of destruction. A worker at Walmart was very helpful today and we spoke about the Lord with praise and joy with smiles on our face. He told me how satan will use any means to weaken and destroy our joy, peace, love, songs of hymns and praise with the Lord. He said that God will allow us to see this; however, we don’t want to believe what we’re seeing because we have a genuine love, concern and care for the people. And in doing so, we will let down our guard thinking it’s us, causing us to cloud our judgment, when in reality the love that we have for these people will not allow us to see the truth for what it is until we are deeply hurt. Then he looked at me and told me that it is okay. He said, “God smacked you in the face with the reality of satan before your eyes, causing you to quickly flee from the evil into His marvelous arms.” As he said this, tears came to my eyes knowing that God has His marvelous eyes on me during this whole time, now and forever due to his faithful promise that He will never leave me nor forsake me, and will not lose one of His little ones. God truly is amazing and marvelous with all power and glory.

    CAL4U, thank you for your encouragement with God’s word. God allowed my husband to see a couple of years ago, after first moving here, what was going on due to his training and experience, a gift that God has given him. God has also given me the gift to read people’s body language since a young age, and also due to my experience and training God allowed me to see what was going on, but due to not wanting to believe what was being seen by me and thinking that it was something done by me, and that it could be corrected by me caused me to let my guard down. It is amazing how satan disguises himself and comes so close to the truth that it is hard to determine the difference; however, God word tells us that their end is according to their works.

    God bless you and thank you for allowing me to post on your blog.

    Ellie

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  19. Believer
    Sep 19, 2013 @ 18:02:34

    Dear CAL4U:

    A person that is overseeing or in charge of a religious “occult” or “cult” group, is it known for them to not follow church discipline until a person stands up against their wrong doings, and then the church discipline is instituted by instructing the members to cut off fellowship with that person that is acknowledging the wrong doing, and telling he/she they are not allowed back in until asking for forgiveness in front of them all? Does an occult or cult leader ask a person to bow to them? Do they lift themselves up in the place of God? God’s word states that we are to confess our sins before Him and to repent (to turn and think – do differently). To repent is not just stating the words, but is in action by our walking.

    This is just information being asked from you due to your experience and being involved in an occult or cult situation. In order for it to not be an occult or cult, there will be orderly and continual church discipline when the church doors are opened and when they are closed.

    Does an occult leader meet one-on-one with the opposite sex alone for discipline of a member without going through that person’s spouse? If there is a problem with the dress or conduct of a member, would the male leader go directly to the husband of the woman, or would the occult leader meet with the woman alone without the husband’s presence?

    From speaking to other people from other denominations, they told me that a male pastor who has any problem with the woman’s dress or conduct, that their pastor would go directly to the husband in private with another male member (if the woman is married) to resolve the issue, and to inform the husband so that the husband can correct the problem. If the woman is not married, then the wife of the pastor would get with the woman one-on-one with another female member to discuss the issue in a private setting.

    From talking to other people and researching church discipline, it scared me horribly how satan is so unorganized and chaos with church discipline, which the Bible strictly speaks the importance of church discipline to promote the faith within the body of Christ. And when the church discipline is used periodically here and there, and when people think that it’s used in only certain situations, that the misuse or not having the continually use of church discipline is a destructive force of satan destroying people’s lives and fellowship with God.

    God is working in me to do a detail research and study on “occult” and “cult” groups, and their function and purpose. Let me know if what I’m learning is wrong or correct. From talking to people I’m learning that these groups don’t have any discipline, except when the leader deems appropriate, and it is according to the leader’s desire and timing, with no consideration God‘s authority of constant and continual church discipline.

    CAL4U – my husband and I were looking at all the photos of me during our visit here with this particular ministry, when we moved here at the picnics, and at the teachings, and not one time was anything seen that was inappropriate as this man said it was. Also, when looking at the DVD and teachings, no where was anything seen on me as exposing any part of my body or upper area, nipples or cleavage. Before, we moved here, when I came down for a job interview, my husband took a photo of me in our motel room with me dressed in a beautiful white long sleeve shirt with a black sweater vest over it. I had my hair permed for the job interview.

    That Friday night when my husband and I went to the dvd packaging at J.B’s, I was sitting at the table and Mary, his wife, was sitting across from me. I showed her this photo that was on my cell phone. Mary stated, “You look like a man.” Every since then these last 2 ½ years, it has been one thing after another about my dress, my talking, my not talking, my weight, etc., to the point that I was so confused that I didn’t know what to do.

    My husband saw all this going on and he told me to stop going that they did not like me. He told me that if I do go, to just go to the teachings, work the camera, and come home, especially after my husband saw after teaching one night when Mary yelled at me several times to set Jim’s books down, and all I was doing was standing there, patiently waiting and talking to Victor.

    Yet, when following the instructions of my husband, I was being accused of not talking, having an attitude and wearing my feelings on my sleeves, yet all along, I was doing what my husband instructed me to do. J.B’s is telling people that I’m mentally sick and unstable due my e-mailing him on what was being seen by me. When first e-mailing this man, it was specifically stated in my first few emails that they are not intended for correcting or putting out another doctrine, just to only be honest with him. Yet, he has taken this and twisted this.

    The reason for telling you this is so you will no further details from what has already been written on here so that it is possible to ask you a question. Is an “occult” or “cult” groups main goal and function is to weaken the mentality of a person by always degrading them with mean and hateful words and actions, and then turn around and tell the person they’re treating this way that they are crazy and are mentally unstable and sick?

    I have a family member (sibling) who has a masters degree in psychology who is coming to see me soon so that it is possible for me to inquire how these “cult” or “occult” groups work. God has truly shown me that what He puts us through is for us to research and learn so that the same mistake does not happen twice.

    My body is washed with living water and God has this house in me on a rock. If this house had not been built on a rock, but on sand, this last 2 ½ years would have destroyed me; however, no matter how much the flood, wind, or storm may blow, this house is still standing, and standing strong with the Whole Armour of God perfectly positioned by Him to deflect the fiery darts of the wicked.

    If you have any good resources or books for me to read, please let me know on here. You will not be able to e-mail me. My husband agrees with what you told me on this blog. Therefore, my phone number and e-mail address has been changed and will not be posted on here, due to completely breaking off from this group, and all those once associated with it, due to not being able to trust anyone who might go back and report to this group.

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    • cal4u
      Sep 20, 2013 @ 07:35:28

      Dear Believer, greetings in the name of our Dear Lord and Saviour.
      I would like to try and answer your questions in an orderly fashion, so I will place your questions or statements in quotes within () to avoid confusion. And in some places you have run-on questions.

      To answer your first question which was: (“A person that is overseeing or in charge of a religious “occult” or “cult” group, is it known for them to not follow church discipline”?)
      In my experience with cults, yes they do NOT follow proper biblical church correction and or discipline. One will usually be the leader with a lesser leader. In this case it would seem Jim Brown, then his wife.
      In the case of Jim Brown, he is in charge of a cult, which utilizes “Occult” teaching.
      Occult usually deals with “witchcraft”, Jim Browns usage of the “Gematria” is using occult teachings in understanding scripture, which we do not need to teach us of the Lords ways. We as true believers have the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth.

      Here according to scripture is how a situation should be handled when a brother trespasses against you:
      Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
      Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
      Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
      Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
      Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
      Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
      Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
      Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

      Here is another two questions of yours: ( instructing the members to cut off fellowship with that person that is acknowledging the wrong doing, and telling he/she they are not allowed back in until asking for forgiveness in front of them all? Does an occult or cult leader ask a person to bow to them?)
      What was happening here, which cult leaders will practice, is to cut off those who in “their” eyes are being divisive, they are trying to “Control” the situation, instead of sitting down with the person to find out from a Biblical stance why they see something differently. Usually they grow suspect of the person trying to bring a point of order, and then they will label YOU, as the person who is REBELLING against “their” authority. Yes they do desire you to bow before “their” authority, and yes the leaders do not realize they are instigating “Idolatry”, and they are usurping the rightful sovereignty of the Lord in being in charge of the Body of Christ! They are the ones being rebellious, and as we know the Lord states that Rebellion is as “witchcraft”!
      1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

      Now this statement by you:( God’s word states that we are to confess our sins before Him and to repent (to turn and think – do differently). To repent is not just stating the words, but is in action by our walking.)
      If we sin against a group then we SHOULD confess that wrong, and ask forgiveness. We also ask the Lord’s forgiveness and cleansing us from it, and then ask for the Holy Spirit to assist us in walking uprightly concerning the issue. And this goes for one on one with any true believer that we have sinned against. We also should ask forgiveness if we have sinned against unbelievers as well, for the Lord is a just God, and we need to walk humbly before ALL men.

      Your next questions is: (Does an occult leader meet one-on-one with the opposite sex alone for discipline of a member without going through that person’s spouse?)
      This practice does also occur in non-cultish church denominations, it has been practiced for decades and many have succumbed to sexual sin because of this unbiblical practice! According to the Lord’s word, all should be going to the woman’s spouse, for the Man is over the woman, and he must make sure the correction is attended to at home alone with his wife. The man is to make sure order is present in the household. Here are some scriptures to back this up:
      Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
      Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
      Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
      Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
      Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
      Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
      Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
      Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
      Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
      Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

      1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
      1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
      1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
      1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
      1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

      Tit 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
      Tit 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
      Tit 1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
      Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
      Tit 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
      Tit 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.

      You are correct as I wrote to you in another response, and it is something I am going to write about on my blog, that MEN should minister/serve to men, and those who are Godly mature women should minister to woman. Many walk disorderly when it comes to God’s Council on HOW the Body of Christ is too function.

      Now concerning this issue: (My husband saw all this going on and he told me to stop going that they did not like me. He told me that if I do go, to just go to the teachings, work the camera, and come home, especially after my husband saw after teaching one night when Mary yelled at me several times to set Jim’s books down, and all I was doing was standing there, patiently waiting and talking to Victor.)

      Dear sister please show this response to your husband also, your husband was correct in advising you NOT to go back to the church, but erred in giving you the choice by qualifying it with “IF” I do go”, he should not given you the choice, he obviously stop going at this time, and you should have stayed home with him, and not gone back. He WAS looking after your spiritual welfare, and was being a responsible and Godly husband…praise the Lord.

      Now this question, which I cut short: ( Is an “occult” or “cult” groups main goal and function is to weaken the mentality of a person by always degrading them with mean and hateful words and actions,)
      Yes this has been a trait that is prevalent that I have experienced in a couple of cultish type groups, they will always belittle you. And when you confront them with this unbiblical activity, they label you as rebellious.

      Now this statement: (I have a family member (sibling) who has a masters degree in psychology who is coming to see me soon so that it is possible for me to inquire how these “cult” or “occult” groups work. God has truly shown me that what He puts us through is for us to research and learn so that the same mistake does not happen twice.)

      There really is no need to talk with a psychologist regarding this issue, God’s word is the only guidance we need to know what is from Him and what is NOT.
      And obviously your husband and you have been guided by the Lord, and you both have separated yourself from this CULT. You will be blessed due to your obedience, and the Lord will teach you more and more of His ways.

      Now I do not have any other sources you may read from books, The Lord has been my teacher and guidance. Just stay close to Him, and be patient, and the Lord will reveal everything you need to know, but He does it in His time, not ours.

      Thank you for asking these questions, and it has encouraged me to stop procrastinating and start writing upon the subjects brought up in your comment.
      The Lord bless you both and keep you in His Narrow Way.

      In His Eternal Love…..

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  20. Believer
    Oct 06, 2013 @ 08:27:26

    Dear CAL4U:

    This is part of what the missionary in Ecuador, Scott Wouri, that is an extension of Grace and Truth Ministries put on Facebook regarding the law of God. Scott said

    Wow, never would it be possible for me to see such a gap of truth from those associated with this ministry until getting from it’s hypnotic spell to see the errors for what they really are, because when we are involved in listening to man, it is not possible to see how God’s word gets so twisted and turned from the truth until we separate and read the word of God for ourselves, allowing God to reveal the truth to us.

    The whole word of God is about the powerful works and miracles of our Father, Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. It’s all about what God has planned and what He is going to do. Not man. When we take, “I”, “Me”, “We”, “They” and all the personal nouns and pronouns out of the picture and totally concentrate on what God wants us to know about Him when reading His word, and what He is telling us about Him, then the whole truth about God will utterly slap us in the face, causing us (those that are truly His) to bow our knees before Him and confess His name.

    Scott Wouri wrote his response on Facebook, regarding the verse he quoted on Romans 6:14-15 “For sin shall not have dominion over you; for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. This is Scott‘s response, “Once again, the law of Moses is what brought sin upon Israel.”

    The law of Moses did not bring sin upon Israel. Remember, Israel was given the law by God because they are His people. Sin was already ruling in them before they got the law. Remember when Moses went up into the Mount to get the law from God, Israel built a golden calf and worshipped it. They were already sinning. ***The Law of God allowed them to be confronted with their sin, and allowed Israel to see their doings, and how sinful their sin was, and to bring them to the full knowledge of it, and by this the law killed Israel because Israel was never able to fulfill or keep the Law of God. The people around Israel did not have the law, and because they never had the law, are we to say that those people are without sin. No!!!!! God told Israel about these people worshipping other gods before Israel went into the land. God commanded Israel to drive them out and to kill them. Are they without excuse because they did not have the law that God gave Israel?*

    First of all, Scott never finished this, and got way out of context with this. Let’s read this, whole Chapter and see exactly what it’s talking about. This will show the power of God working in those that He puts His grace of faith into the people that are His.

    Romans 517-21 & 6:1-23, “For if by the offense of the one death reigned by the one, much more those who are receiving the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness shall rule in life by the One, Jesus Christ. So, then, as through one offense it was toward all men to condemnation, so also by one accomplished righteousness toward all men to justification of life. For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the One the many shall be constituted righteous. But Law came in beside, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace much more abounded, that as sin ruled in death, so also grace might rule through righteousness to everlasting life, through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

    “What then shall we say? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Let it not be! We who died to sin, how shall we still live in it? Or are you ignorant that all who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Then we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, so also we should walk in newness of life. For if we have been joined together in the likeness of His death, so also shall we be in the resurrection; knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin, might be annulled, so that we no longer serve sin. For the one that dies has been justified from sin. But if we died with Christ, we believe that also we shall live with Him, knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dies no more; death no longer lords it over Him. For in that He died, He died to sin once for all, but in that He lives, he lives to God. So also you count yourselves to be truly dead to sin, but alive to God, in Christ Jesus our Lord. Therefore, do not let sin rule in your mortal body, to obey it in its lusts. Do not yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin; but yield yourselves to God as living from the dead, and your members instruments of righteous to God. For your sin shall not lord it over you, for you are not under law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law, but under grace? Let it not be! Do you know that to whom you yield yourselves slaves for obedience, you are slaves to whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or obedience to righteousness? But thanks to God that you were slaves of sin, but you obeyed from the heart the form of teaching to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you were enslaved to righteousness. I speak as a man on account of the weakness of your flesh. For as you yielded your members as slaves to uncleanness and to lawless act unto lawless act, so now yield your members as slaves to righteousness unto sanctification. For when you were slaves of sin, you were free as to righteousness. Therefore, what fruit did you have then in the things over which you now are ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now being set free from sin, and being enslaved to God, you have your fruit unto sanctification, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the free gift of God is everlasting life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

    Romans 7:1-25 “Or, brothers, are you ignorant – for I speak to those knowing law – that the law rules over the man for as long a time as he may live? For the married woman was bound by law to the living husband; but if the husband dies, she is set free from the law of the husband. So, then, if the husband is living, she will be called an adulteress if she becomes another man’s. But if the husband dies, she is free from the law, so as for her not to be an adulteress by becoming another man’s wife. So that, my brothers, you also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ, for you to become Another’s, to One raised from the dead, so that we may bear fruit to God. For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sin worked in our members through the law for the bearing of fruit unto death. But now we have been set free from the law, having died to that in which we were held, so that we serve in newness of spirit, and not in oldness of letter.

    ***What, then, shall we say? Is the law sin? Let it not be! But I did not know sin except through law; for also I did not know lust except the law said, You shall not lust. But sin taking occasion through the commandment worked every lust in me; for apart from law, sin was dead. And I was alive apart from law once, but the commandment came, and sin came alive, and I died. And the commandment which was to life, this was found to be death to me; for sin taking occasion through the commandment deceived me, and through it killed me. So indeed the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. Then that which is good, has it become death to me? Let it not be! But sin, that it might appear to be sin, having worked out death to me through the good, in order that sin might become excessively sinful through the commandment. For we know that the law is spiritual, and I am fleshly, having been sold under sin.* For what I work out, I do not know. For what I do not desire, this I do, But what I hate, this I do. But if I do what I do not desire, I agree with the law, that it is good.

    But now I no longer work it out, but the sin dwelling in me. For I know that in me, that is in my flesh, dwells no good. For to desire to present to me, but to work out the good I do not find. For what good I desire, I do not. But the evil I do not desire, this I do. But if I do what I do not desire, it is no longer I working it out, but the sin dwelling in me. I find then the law, when I desire to do the right, that evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man; but I see another law in my members warring against the law of my mind, and taking me captive by the law of sin being in my members. O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then I myself with the mind truly serve the law of God, and with the flesh the law of sin.”

    This is where this ministry stops and statedthat there is a continuous battle between the inner man and the outer man. However, we can not stop here with this thinking. Why? Because Paul states how he is going to be delivered from the wretched man that he was before Christ put His Holy Spirit into him. That’s why it’s very important to continue the thought and not stop just at end of Chapter 7 of Romans. Notice what Paul states next!!!!

    Romans 8:1-16 “There is therefore now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus set me free from the law of sin and of death. For the law being powerless, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and concerning sin, condemned sin in the flesh. So that the righteous demand of the law might be fulfilled in us, those not walking according to flesh, but according to Spirit. For the ones that are according to flesh mind the things of the flesh. And the one according to Spirit mind the things of the Spirit. For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace; because of this the mind of the flesh is enmity towards God; for it is not subject to the law of God, for neither can it be. And those being in the flesh are not able to please God. But you are not in flesh, but in Spirit, since the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone has not the Spirit of Christ, this one is not His. But if Christ is in you, the body indeed is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of the One having raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the One having raised the Christ from the dead will also make your “MORTAL” bodies live through the indwelling of His Spirit in you.

    So, then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to flesh; for if you live according to flesh, you are going to die. But if by the Spirit you put to death the practices of the body, you will live. (THIS IS OUR DAILY CROSS) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit of slavery again to fear, but you received a Spirit of adoption by which we cry, Abba Father! The Spirit Himself witnesses with our spirit that we are children of God.”

    The Holy Spirit is powerful and quick to work to do the will of God. Notice that Paul states to Timothy in 2 Timothy 4:16-18, “In my first defense, no one was beside me, but all deserted me. May it not be reckoned to them. But the Lord stood with me and gave me power, that through me the preaching might be fulfilled, and all the nations might hear. And I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion. And the Lord will deliver me from EVERY WICKED WORK, and WILL SAVE ME for His heavenly kingdom; to whom be the glory for ever and ever. Amen.”

    Paul recognizes the resurrection of Christ in him due to Christ causing Paul’s mortal body to live (to do truth and not sin) through the indwelling of His Holy Spirit in him. Remember, Paul stated that the Lord will deliver him from EVERY WICKED WORK, and WILL SAVE HIM. The power of God is so powerful that He is going to cause the flesh of His people to bow to Him and to do truth.

    And why is this? Because Christ came to fulfill the law and the prophets. Christ fulfilled the law and now writes the law on the fleshy tables of our heart causing the contract to be fulfilled and written in our hearts. Scott missed the mark and really messed this up when He stated that about Romans 7:1 “For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.”

    Scott’s response to this, “This does not only refer to the written law of the Jews, but speaks of the relationship of two parties that are engaged in a contract or covenant. This is speaking in very general terms that are applicable to everyone. Paul is saying that a covenant or contract has no force when one of the contracting members dies. For instance if you sign a deal with a painter to come and paint your house, and he dies, you had better find yourself a new painter because something tells me that he isn’t going to show up! In other words, the contract is no longer in place. Paul is beginning to explain the believer’s relationship to the Old covenant and the Mosaic Law.”

    Wow, all that can be said by me is this: Jesus died and fulfilled the contract for me and has showed up to paint my body with His blood, covering me with a robe of righteousness. Yes, Christ died and He showed up. It’s sad that a person would state that they would have to find another Christ because something tells him that Christ isn’t going to show up! All this was determine from this one little verse. It’s sad how the word of God gets so twisted and perverted and taken out of context.

    Scott’s wrote about Romans 7:5 “For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.” Scott responded to this by writing, “The Halakha is not what causes sin, but the actual, true law of God. If this verse read, the motions of sins, which were by the oral law…it just wouldn’t work.”

    Wow, this is true blasphemy of God’s word. Scott specifically stated that the actual true law of God is what causes sin. We must remember in Matthew 5:17, Jesus specifically said, “Do not think that I came to annul (destroy) the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to annul (destroy), but to fulfill. The law is of God, and what is not of God is sin. The actual true law of God is not of sin. Remember we read above that “So indeed the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.“ According to Scott Wouri, Jesus is sin because Jesus fulfilled the law. And Scott Wouri stated, “Halakha is not what causes sin, but the actual, true law of God. (The definition of cause per 1828 Webster’s Dictionary is: “That which produces an affect; that which impels into existence, or by its agency or operation produces what did not before exist; that by virtue of which any thing is done; that from which any thing process, and without which it would not exist. Cause is a substance exerting its power into act, to make a thing begin to be. The reason or motive that urges, moves, or impels the mind to act or decide. To bring into existence.”) What Scott wrote on Facebook is blasphemy.

    The law reveals the sin to our sinful man just how sinful we are towards God. Remember, how sinful Egypt was when Moses went to land of Egypt as God commanded Moses to confront Pharaoh to let the people go. And how God caused all the plagues to come onto the land of Egypt. Yes, Egypt was very sinful. They were a law unto themselves. Just because they did not have the law of God does not mean they had no sin.

    The law of God was given exclusively to His people so that they would know how sinful they are and had to look to God for repentance. Look at all the sins of the people from the time of Adam and Eve on up to the time of Moses before he went to the Mount to get the law from God. Israel did not know how sinful their actions were until God gave them the law. And when Israel got the law of God, they died. Why? Because they were never able to fulfill the law or keep the law.

    Look at the people today that are full of sin. The have the law of this nation and are full of sin. There is a law, a law unto themselves; however, they do not have the law of God, this spiritual contract, written on their hearts due to the power of the Holy Spirit not working in them.

    Christ came and died to fulfill the law, the contract, so that we come alive with Christ in us, just as Christ was resurrected from the dead, He will make our mortal bodies (this flesh) to live due to putting to death the sins of the flesh by causing us to not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. This is the cross of Christ. This is His death and resurrection working in those that belong to Him.

    Remember, “For the law being powerless, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and concerning sin, condemned sin in the flesh. So that the righteous demand of the law might be fulfilled in us, those not walking according to flesh, but according to Spirit.”

    Praise be to God.

    Ellie

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  21. Believer
    Oct 06, 2013 @ 08:42:41

    Some how my first paragraph to the above comment of mine got cut short. This is the rest of it. Scott said that the Law of God is what causes sin. It truly shows how this ministry teaches and twists the law of God. Scott Wouri is learning directly from Jim Brown and as you can per the quotes in my comments is directly what Scott said. It was possible for me to directly quote what Scott said due to keeping what Scott said on Facebook. A photo of this heretics comments were done to show how this ministry allows people to be deceived and allow the followers to post false doctrine. This is what Jim Brown is teaching Scott and it is very sad to see.

    What Scott Wouri said was recently posted on Facebook and read by me on Facebook on October 1, 2013, 8:00 am.

    The second paragraph begins the truth of what God has put in my mind, heart, soul and strength.

    I apologize for the first paragraph getting cut short. Just wanted you and the readers to know what happened and why the first paragraph was not finished.

    Ellie

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  22. Lois
    Oct 10, 2013 @ 16:35:31

    It is important to post this to point out the error of doctrine being taught by this ministry. This ministry has the form of godliness, but denies the power of it; and are always learning, but never being able to come to a full knowledge of the truth as well stated in 2 Timothy 3:1-17.

    Let’s look at these verses on the Power of God:

    1 Thessalonians 4:1-8 “For the rest, then, brothers, we beg you and we exhort in the Lord Jesus, even as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God, that you abound (perisseuo = to superabound or excel, be in excess) more. For you know what injunctions we gave you through the Lord Jesus. For this is God’s will, your sanctification, you to abstain from fornication, each one of you to know to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor, not in passion of lust, even as also the nations not knowing God do; not to go beyond and to overreach in the matter of his brother; because the avenger concerning all these is the Lord, even as we told you before, and solemnly testified. For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in sanctification. Therefore, the one that despises does not despise man, but God, even He giving His Holy Spirit to us.”

    Paul instructs them to walk and to please God that they abound more for they know what injunctions (charge, command) Paul and the others gave them through the Lord Jesus.

    For this is God’s will:

    1. Your sanctification
    2. You to abstain from fornication
    3. Each of You to KNOW to possess his vessel in sanctification & honor,
    NOT IN PASSION OF LUST, even as also the nations not knowing God do
    4. Not to go beyond and to overreach in the matter of his brother

    The Holy Spirit is going to do the will of God with no hesitation or delay because this is the will of God. Let’s read how quick the Holy Spirit is to work in those that belong to Christ:

    2 Peter 1:3-11 “As His divine ‘POWER’ has GIVEN TO US ALL THINGS PERTAINING TO LIFE AND GODLINESS through the full knowledge of the One calling us through glory and virtue, by which means HE HAS GIVEN TO US the very great and precious promises, so that through these you might be partakers of the divine nature, ESCAPING FROM THE CORRUPTION IN THE WORLD BY LUST. But also in this very thing, bringing in all diligence (spoude = speed, haste, quickness, immediately, prompt), filling out (epichoregeo = fully supply) your faith with virtue; and virtue with knowledge; and knowledge with self-control; and self-control with patience; and patience with godliness; and godliness with brotherly love; and brotherly love with love. For these things being in you and abounding (pleonazo = to do, make or be more), make you not barren (argos = slow, lazy, idle), not unfruitful in the full knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the one (as with Jim Brown) in whom these things are not present is blind, being short-sighted, taking on forgetfulness of the cleansing of his sins in time past. On account of this, brothers, rather be diligent (spoudasate = with speed, haste, quickness, immediately, prompt) TO MAKE SURE of your calling and election; for DOING THESE THINGS, YOU WILL NOT EVER FALL. For so will be richly furnished to you the entrance into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.”

    1 Thessalonians 5:16-24 “Rejoice always. Pray without ceasing. In everything give thanks, for this is the WILL OF GOD in Christ Jesus TOWARDS YOU. Do not quench (sbennute = extinguish) the Spirit. Do not despise (exoutheneite = least esteemed, set at naught) prophecies (propheteias = before spoken or made known). Test all things, hold fast to the good. KEEP BACK FROM EVERY FORM OF EVIL. And may the God of peace Himself FULLY SANCTIFY YOU, and MAY YOUR WHOLE SPIRIT and SOUL and BODY be KEPT BLAMELESS at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is FAITHFUL, who also WILL PERFORM IT.”

    When man teaches that it takes God years to kill off sin he is quenching (extinguishing) the power of the Spirit and is also despising or least esteeming, to set at naught (bad, worthless, of no value or account) the very prophecy of the words spoken and written by the godly men that wrote the word of God. This is blasphemy. This is making the word of God of none effect by making it infamous, and is hindering the word of God and the powerful works of the Holy Spirit. This is truly the blind leading the blind, and both will fall into the ditch.

    Satan is a murderer and the ministers of Satan will do the works of their father, and will murder and cut up the word of God, and will destroy the power of the Holy Spirit. Yes, Satan will say, “Oh, do you not know that faith must increase, and self must decrease. God knows that you‘re going to sin with faith at the same time. See it takes God years to perfect you and when you get older you‘ll have less veneer of sin.” Satan not only comes speaking smooth words, but will deny the power of God.

    2 Thessalonians 1:11-12 “For which we also always pray concerning you, that our God may count you worthy of the calling and may FULFILL every good pleasure of goodness, and work of faith IN POWER, so that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be GLORIFIED in you, and you in Him, ACCORDING TO THE GRACE OF OUR GOD and OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.”

    2 Thessalonians 2:13-17 “But we ought to thank God always concerning you, brothers, beloved by the Lord, because God CHOSE you from the beginning to salvation IN SANCTIFICATION of the Spirit and BELIEF of the truth, to which HE CALLED YOU THROUGH OUR GOSPEL, to obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So, then, brothers, STAND FIRM and STRONGLY, HOLD THE TEACHINGS YOU WERE TAUGHT, WHETHER BY WORD OR BY OUR LETTER. But may our Lord Himself, Jesus Christ, and our God and Father, He who LOVES and GIVES US EVERLASTING encouragement and good hope by grace, encourage your hearts, and may He ESTABLISH (sperizai = to set fast, to turn resolutely in a certain direction, to confirm, steadfastly set, strengthen) you in EVERY GOOD WORD and WORK.”

    Hebrews 4:11-13 “Therefore, let us labor to enter into that rest, that not anyone fall in the same example of disobedience. For the WORD of God is LIVING and POWERFULLY WORKING, and sharper than every two-edged sword, even piercing as far as dividing apart of both soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to JUDGE of the THOUGHTS and INTENTIONS of the heart; and there is no creature unrevealed before Him; but all things are naked and laid open to His eyes, with whom is our account.”

    Hebrews 13:20-21 “Now the God of Peace, He leading up out of the dead, the great Shepherd of the sheep, in the blood of the everlasting covenant, our Lord Jesus, PERFECT (katartisai = katarizo = to complete thoroughly) YOU IN EVERY GOOD WORK, TO DO HIS WILL, DOING IN YOU that which is pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.”

    God is so magnificent and powerful and is faithful to His Promise. His Holy Spirit is going to DO His will. Why? Because we are His temple and He is faithful to walk in us and among us because we are His people. Because of Him walking in us, He commands us to come out from among them, and be separated, and not to touch the unclean thing because He will receive us as well stated by God Himself in his word in 2 Corinthians 6:13-18 “Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership does righteousness with lawlessness? And what agreement does Christ with Belial? And what agreement does a temple of God with idols? For YOU ARE A TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD, even as God said, “I will dwell in them, and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.” Because of this, come out from among them, and be separated, says the Lord, and do not touch the unclean thing; and I will receive you. And I will be a Father to you, and you will be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty.” Notice!!!!, that God IS NOT going to allow idols to dwell in the temple (our bodies) with Him. That’s why Paul continues in Chapter 7:1 “Then having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from ALL defilements of flesh and of spirit, PERFECTING holiness in fear of God.”

    As stated in 1 John 2:18-29 “Young ones, it is a last hour, and as you heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrist have risen up; from which you know that it is a last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they were of us, they would have remained with us; but so that it might be revealed that they all are not of us. And you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. I did not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because EVERY LIE IS NOT OF THE TRUTH. Who is the liar, except the one denying that Jesus is not the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one denying the Father and the Son. Everyone denying the Son does not have the Father. The one confessing the Son also has the Father. Then what you heard from beginning, let it abide in you. If what you heard from beginning abides in you, will abide both in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise which He promised us: everlasting life. I wrote these things to you concerning the ones leading you astray. And the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone teach you. But as his anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and as He taught you, abide in Him. And now, little children, abide in him, that when He is revealed we may have confidence, and not be shamed from Him in His coming. If you know that He is righteous, know that everyone doing righteousness has been born of Him.”

    The antichrist not only denies Christ by twisting the word of God, but also by denying the power of God. My prayer to God is that JB will wake up and get out of the bed with Babylon. God’s word has length, depth, width and height to it. 1 Corinthians 5 is not only a speaking of a man sleeping with his step-mom, but is also speaking of spiritual adultery due to the brothers not judging righteously, and as a result they are defrauding one another as well spoken by Paul. Paul tells them that some were these things at one time, but Paul states in detail the POWER of the Holy Spirit working in them to SANCTIFY them from these. Let’s read 1 Corinthians 6:8-20 “But you do wrong, and defraud: and these things to brothers! Or do you not know that unjust ones will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be lead astray, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor abusers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor covetous ones, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor plunderers shall inherit the kingdom of God. And some were these things, but you were WASHED; but you were SANCTIFIED; but you were JUSTIFIED in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God. All things are lawful to me, but not all things contribute. All things are lawful to me, but I will not be ruled by any. Food for the belly, and the belly for foods; but God will destroy both this and these. But the BODY IS NOT FOR FORNICATION, BUT FOR THE LORD, AND THE LORD FOR THE BODY. And God also raised up the Lord, and WILL RAISE US UP THROUGH HIS POWER. Do you not know that your BODIES are MEMBERS OF CHRIST, SHALL I MAKE THEM MEMBERS OF A HARLOT? ‘LET IT NOT BE!!’ Or do you not know that he being joined to a harlot is ONE BODY? For He says, ‘The two be into one flesh.’ But he being joined to the Lord is ONE SPIRIT. FLEE FORNICATION. EVERY SIN which a man may do is outside the body, but he doing fornication sins against OWN BODY. OR DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT YOUR BODY IS A TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN YOU, WHICH YOU HAVE FROM GOD; AND YOU ARE NOT OF YOURSELVES? FOR YOU WERE BOUGHT WITH A PRICE; THEN GLORIFY GOD IN YOUR BODY, AND IN YOUR SPIRIT, ‘WHICH ARE OF GOD.’”

    Hebrews 10:32-39 “But call to mind the former days in which being enlightened you endured much conflict of sufferings; partly being exposed both to reproaches and to afflictions; and partly having become partners of those so conducting themselves. For also you suffer together in my bonds; and you accepted the seizure of your possessions with joy, knowing yourselves to have a better and abiding possession in Heaven. Then do not throw away your confidence, which has great reward. For you have need of patience, having done the will of God you may obtain the promise. For, ‘yet a very little and the One coming will come, and will not delay.’ But the just shall live by faith; and if he draws back, My soul is not please in him. BUT WE ARE NOT OF DRAWING BACK TO DESTRUCTION, BUT OF FAITH, TO THE PRESERVATION OF THE SOUL.”

    The Holy Spirit is powerful and will carry out the will of God the Father, and our Savior Lord Jesus Christ, and will put the new man on us, and make us to not draw back to destruction. We must remember that the Holy Spirit will cause us to be: Sanctified; to abstain from fornication; for each of us to KNOW to possess his vessel in sanctification & honor, NOT IN PASSION OF LUST, even as also the nations not knowing God do; and cause us to not to go beyond and to overreach in the matter of his brother. We were as the nations, running with them at one time, but when the Holy Spirit comes in us, we are new creatures in Christ.

    He that doeth righteousness is righteous. He that doeth truth cometh to the light.

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  23. Ellie
    Nov 02, 2013 @ 23:08:14

    Dear Ellie,
    I am writing this within your comment to let you know that I do not agree with anything in this comment. I am going to use this as an example how you have been mis-lead into thinking YOU were at fault concerning this issue with Jim Brown, because that is the furthest from the truth!

    I believe, due to you reading a book written by heretic teacher and leader JOHN BEVERE, that you have not been brought under conviction by the Holy Spirit, but brought to this place through major error by reading JOHN BEVERE and his wicked understanding of the Lord’s Word. And I will point out in my response to your comment, why and how you have been mislead into a false confession of guilt. You are NOT guilty of what you have portrayed in this letter of confession.

    You are falling into the false guilt syndrome due to a cult mindset which is procured through the false teachings of Jim Brown and JOHN BEVERE. I will also take your comment by comment and break it down to show you why you are still being deceived in thinking you were guilty of everything that took place at Jim Brown’s so-called ministry. And I will also reveal to you that JOHN BEVERE is NOT a true disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ and will show proof that this man teaches and fellowships with other like-minded heretics and enemies of the true Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Did you know he was a youth pastor in Benny Hinn’s Church in Orlando, Florida from the 80’s until 1990? Benny Hinn is a heretic of the worse kind, he is a charlatan, and an enemy to the true Gospel of Jesus Christ, filled with pride and every work of iniquity.

    I know the tricks of CULTS and their leaders, and the tools they use to manipulate the Word of God to get you to submit to their pernicious ways and cause you to feel condemned and at fault. So please prayerfully take this in the true spirit it is given. To show you the truth, so that the truth will set you free from the snarls of the devil and those who lead you into those trappings. Our God desires His children to grow in Grace and to follow in the paths that lead unto righteousness and true holiness, not being bound unto any man.

    In His Eternal Love……
    A brother….

    To Jim Brown:

    Please forgive me of my actions of e-mails and words towards you, Mary, and to those in the church and outside the church. What happened is all my fault. I humbly apologize and ask for forgiveness. What you said to me is true about my being self-centered with no care for others, and not humbling myself with true repentance. It is easy for me to point fingers at others to keep from looking at myself.

    Hebrews 12:14-15, “Eagerly pursue peace and holiness with all, without which no one will see the Lord, watching diligently that not any lack from the grace of God, that no root of bitterness growing up may disturb you, and through this many be defiled.”

    As John Bevere wrote in his book, The Bait of Satan, “Bitterness is a root. If roots are nursed – watered, protected, fed, and given attention – they increase in depth and strength. If not dealt with quickly, roots are hard to pull up. The strength of the offense will continue to grow. We are therefore exhorted not to let the sun go down on our wrath (Ephesians 4:26). Now instead of the fruit of righteousness being produced, we will see a harvest of anger, resentment, jealousy, hatred, strife, and discord. Jesus called these evil fruits (see Matthew 7:19-20). The Bible says a person who does not pursue peace by releasing offenses will eventually become defiled. That which is precious will end up being corrupted by the vileness of unforgiveness.”

    It was wrong of me to judge you and to critique your teachings, and criticize you publicly through e-mails and on websites. There was a tremendous amount of bitterness and anger within me. Please forgive me.

    I watched the Sunday Morning you spoke about me and everything you said about me is true. You have every right to kick me out of the church. I am in no way worthy to be looked upon or seen within your church or ministry. What you did is right.

    I am truly sorry and ask for forgiveness. Please forgive me of the hate, lies, deceit, hurt, pain, contention, strife, discord and anger that has been done by me.

    Ellie Cooper

    For me to post on here was wrong of me due to trying to take matters into my own hands and not trust in God. Due to not liking the way people treated me gave me no right to condemn them and I humbly apologize to Jim Brown and the Grace and Truth Ministry.

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  24. cal4u
    Nov 04, 2013 @ 13:56:40

    Dear Ellie,

    You seem to be doing an about face, and I’ve have re-read your other entries.
    There is truth in what you spoke in those entries, and I did not sense bitterness, but I did sense hurt.

    Yes, truth will hurt, but the Lord gives the grace to accept. It’s HOW Jim Brown does it that is unbiblical, and I will not take it back.
    Yes, I’ve been in “cults” which corrected in an unbiblical manner, and yes I did get angry and upset, so I’m not arguing the issue with you. I do agree we must forgive, but we also need the Lord to assist us by His Spirit to forgive.
    Here is a biblical sample how leaders and believers should handle situations in the Body of Christ:
    Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
    Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
    Gal 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
    Gal 6:4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
    Gal 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
    Gal 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
    Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
    Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
    Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
    Gal 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

    But, Jim Brown does NOT represent the true Body of Christ, and JB does utilized teaching tools that are of the occult, so Jim Brown is NOT part of the true Body of Christ, the Lord’s word is very clear upon that subject, and I will not back down. That has been made very clear in the article written.

    You disobeyed your husband and you placed yourself in the lions pit. So therefore you did suffer the consequences. JB did not follow biblical protocol in how to deal with you especially being a married woman. A true shepherd, a true teacher will know how to conduct himself. The Lord will make sure the flesh is pretty much dealt with before placing men in a place of authority. It’s men like him, and John Bevere, who “think” they have been called and then go out and start teaching without any spiritual preparation and no authority….why? Because “you must be born again” these men are not.

    If you sense the Lord has pointed something out in you wonderful, but I can’t not allow you to cover over JB’s false teachings. He is not saved, and we do have the Lord’s word to “JUDGE” ALL things, test all things to see “if” they be of the Lord or not. And when we find major error as JB represents, then we are to have nothing to do with them, separate ourselves from them, and label them for what they are.
    And warn others to stay away.

    I do not wish any harm upon JB, for that would NOT be the desire of the Lord, and He will deal with JB one way or another. I place it in the Lord’s hands.

    I sense in your last comment, you are still in a very excitable emotional state. I understand, but I still disagree with your statement, there is confusion, and confusion is NOT of the Lord.

    Just one more thing, “if” you desire to continue with this conversation, I must insist your husband get involved. You are a married woman, and it is the husband who is the head of the household and who is responsible for you, in part, for your spiritual good.

    Thank you for understanding…..
    And the Lord bless you with His Grace and truth.

    In His Eternal Love…..

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  25. Margaret Galbraith
    Nov 09, 2013 @ 12:18:08

    Ellie, I have read what you had to say… I see in all your comments, except for the last one, you were being lead by the Holy Spirit … Then you listened (or read what another man had to say) another man who is in error! You have been sidetracked from the truth, look to JESUS and HIS ways again! HE says to us “My yoke is easy, my burden is light” Now compare that to the other spirit you have listened to!
    Love in Jesus
    Mags :)

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  26. Ellie
    Nov 13, 2013 @ 19:31:06

    Dear CAL4U:

    Yes, there is a tremendous amount of hurt in me. What happened at Grace and Truth Ministries was a journey that God ordained for me to go through so that it was necessary for me to be drawn to Him. I do not agree with everything that Jim teaches, just as people that still go there told me that they do not agree with everything Jim teaches or says. Jim teaches that faith increases and that self decreases; however, I do not agree with this teaching due to the word of God.

    God’s word specifically states that there can be no part of the flesh (self) with the spiritual man (faith). What you said about the Lord will make sure the flesh is pretty much dealt with before placing men in a place of authority is a very true statement by you. And is back up according to scripture as stated below.

    When Jim teaches that faith must increase and self must decrease Jim is stating that you can have the Holy Spirit with the fleshly (evil and ungodly) man at the same time. Therefore, I do not agree with Jim on this point of his teaching.

    God’s word definitely denies that both can coexist at the same time, as follows in Romans 8:5-14 “For the ones that are according to flesh (self) mind the things of the flesh (self). And the one according to Spirit (faith) mind the things of the Spirit (faith). For the mind of the flesh (self) is death; but the mind of the Spirit (faith) is life and peace; because of this the mind of the flesh (SELF) is ENMITY towards God; for IT IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE LAW OF GOD, FOR NEITHER CAN IT BE. And those being in the flesh (SELF) are not able to please God. But you are not in flesh (self), but in Spirit (faith), since the Spirit (faith) of God dwells in you. But if anyone has not the Spirit (faith) of Christ, this one is not His. But if Christ is in you, the body indeed is dead because of sin, but the Spirit (faith) is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of the One having raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the One having raised the Christ from the dead will also make your mortal bodies live through the indwelling of His Spirit (faith) in you. So, then, brothers, WE ARE DEBTORS, NOT TO THE FLESH (SELF), TO LIVE ACCORDING TO FLESH (SELF); FOR IF YOU LIVE ACCORDING TO FLESH (SELF), YOU ARE GOING TO DIE. But if by the Spirit (faith) you put to death the practices (doings) of the body (SELF), you will live. For as many as are lead by the Spirit (faith) of God, these are sons of God.”

    The workings of the flesh is the result of a person involved in their “self” fulfilling desires, the works of lawlessness. As stated above, God wants no part of “SELF” with the faith He gives us. Therefore, faith can not cohabit with self, which is proof that the doctrine of faith increases while self decreases is contradicting the word of God.

    1 Corinthians 10:13-22, “No temptation has taken you except what is human; but GOD IS FAITHFUL, who WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO BE TEMPTED ABOVE WHAT YOU ARE ABLE. BUT WITH THE TEMPTATION, HE WILL ALSO MAKE THE WAY OUT, SO THAT YOU MAY BE ABLE TO BEAR IT. On account of this, my beloved, FLEE from idolatry (image worship or self worship). I speak as to prudent one; you judge what I say. The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a partaking of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a partaking of the body of Christ? Because we, the many, are one bread, one body, for we all partake of the one Bread. Look at Israel according to flesh (self). Are not those eating the sacrifices partakers of the altar? What then do I say, that an idol is anything, or that an idolatrous sacrifice is anything? But the things the nations sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons, and not to God. BUT I DO NOT WANT YOU TO BECOME SHARERS OF DEMONS (SELF); you ARE NOT able to drink the cup of the Lord and a cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and a table of demons. Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than He?”

    Jim teaches that demons are self, and states that faith must increase and self must decrease. Therefore Jim is teaching that a person can drink from the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons (self) at the same time; and, eat from the table of the Lord and the table of demons (self) at the same time.

    Luke 17:5, “And the apostles said to the Lord, Give us more faith. But the Lord said, If you had faith as a grain of mustard, you may say to this sycamine tree, Be rooted up and be planted in the sea! And it would obey you.”

    People will take this and compare the sycamine tree as faith and stated that faith must increase, just as a tree grows, and that self decreases for faith to increase. But this is not what it says. The apostles said, Give us more faith. Notice the apostles are asking for more, an increase. But read carefully what Jesus tells them. Jesus says to them, “If you had faith as a grain of mustard, you may say to this sycamine tree, Be rooted up and be planted in the sea!” Jesus is stating that the smallest amount of faith given to a man by God is sufficient enough for a man to speak and command this tree to be rooted up and be planted in the sea. This shows the power of God in the smallest amount of faith that He puts in a man. The smallest amount of faith compared to a grain of mustard, that is almost naked to the human eye, is so powerful that it can move mountains, galaxies and universes. Jesus is demonstrating the power of God’s Spirit (faith) that He puts in those belonging to Him. This is how powerful faith is in casting out the mountain (the pride of self).

    Romans 8:35-39 “Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? Even as it has been written, ‘For your sake we are killed all the day; we are counted as sheep of slaughter’. But in all these things we more than conquer through the One loving us. For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor power, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus, our Lord.”

    Nothing can separate us from the love of God. This truly shows the power of the Spirit (faith), that God puts in the hearts of those belonging to him. When John the Baptist in John 4:30 states, “That one must increase, but I decrease.” Johns stated previously that he is not the Christ, but that he had been sent going before that One. John’s ministry was to decrease and Christ’s ministry is to increase because Christ is the chief cornerstone of the foundation on which the church is built. This is not talking about faith increasing and self decreasing. Faith has to be in a man before it can blossom and be filled out.

    God is going to bound the strong man (this flesh). God states that he will bound the flesh and that we will fast, be humbled in the flesh, as stated in Matthew 9:14-17, “Then the disciples of John came to Him, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast much, and Your disciples do not fast? And Jesus said to them, Can the bridechamber mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? But the days will come when the bridegroom will have been taken from them; and then they will fast. But no one puts a piece of new cloth onto an old garment. For its filling up takes away from the garment, and a worse tear takes its place. Nor do they put new wine into old skins; otherwise, the skins are burst, and the wine pours out, and the skins will be ruined. But they put new wine into new skins and both are preserved together.”

    Notice that Jesus is comparing this by stating that the Holy Spirit can not be put onto an old garment due to a worse tear taking place. Nor can the Holy Spirit can be put into old man; otherwise the man will burst, and the truth pour out and the man will be ruined. But the Spirit is put into the new man, and both are preserved together. That’s why Jesus states in Matthew 12:25-30, “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to ruin. And every city or house divided against itself will not stand. And if Satan throws out Satan, he was divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? And if I throw out the demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons throw them out? Because of this, they shall be your judges. BUT IF I CAST OUT THE DEMONS BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD, THEN THE KINGDOM OF GOD HAS COME ON YOU. Or how is anyone able to enter the house of the strong one and plunder his goods, if he does not first tie up the strong one; and then he will plunder his house.”

    Jesus is going to going to bound the strong man, our flesh (self), with His Holy Spirit, and then He will make the tree good, and its fruit good. The wine (Holy Spirit) will be preserved in the new skins (new man).

    I also do not agree with Jim reading the letters and e-mails before the teaching, because doing so brings contention and strife, with anger and fleshly excitement, and disagreements that causes doubt and division into the body of Christ. This happens when Jim reads about people disagreeing with him and then Jim degrades them publicly without them being there to explain themselves. And at times laugh and make fun of them.

    We are commanded to bring love into the church. 1 Corinthians 8:1-13 Paul writes that he will not at all eat flesh forever, so that he does not offend his brother. If we are going to partake in our fleshly and selfish doings we are to eat flesh at home and not in the church so as not to offend a brother, and to not cause a stumbling block to our brothers. That’s why Jesus stated in Matthew 5:21-25, You have heard that it was said to the ancients: ‘Do not commit murder!’ And ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the Judgment.’ But I say to you, Everyone who is angry with his brother without a cause shall be liable to the Judgment. And whoever says to his brother, Raca, shall be liable to the Sanhedrin; but whoever says, Fool! Shall be liable into the fire of Hell. Therefore, if you offer your gift on the altar, and remember there that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar, and go. First, be reconciled to your brother, and then coming, offer your gift.”

    This is clearly showing that we are not to bring anything offensive into the church. Any offenses we have towards one another brings contention and strife into the body of Christ which is a stumbling block to our brothers. This is how offenses and self destroys the individual person and causes them to not walk in truth; and, destroys the many members (the church) coming together to fellowship in truth and love.

    Paul states in 1 Corinthians 9 that he sowing spiritual things to them, is it a great thing if we shall reap of your fleshly things? But take notice what Paul states why we did not take advantage of their fleshly things. Chapter 11-27, “If we have sowed spiritual things to you, is it a great thing if we shall reaps of your fleshly things? If others have a share of the authority over you, should not rather we? BUT WE DID NOT USE THIS AUTHORITY, BUT WE ENDURED ALL THINGS, SO THAT WE MIGHT NOT GIVE A HINDRANCE TO THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST. Do you not know that those who have labored eat of the holy things of the Temple? Those attending on the altar partake with the altar. SO ALSO THE LORD ORDAINED THOSE PREACHING THE GOSPEL TO LIVE FROM THE GOSPEL.”

    Notice what Paul writes next. This is very important. Because he states that he did not use his spiritual gift or his authority to partake of their fleshly things nor did he ask for their fleshly things. “But I HAVE NOT one of these. And I DO NOT WRITE THESE THINGS THAT IT BE SO WITH ME. For IT IS GOOD TO ME RATHER TO DIE than that anyone nullify my glorying. For if I preach the gospel, there is no glory to me; for necessity is laid on me, and it is woe to me if I do not preach the gospel. For if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but if unwillingly, I am entrusted with a stewardship. What then is my reward? THAT PREACHING THE GOSPEL I MAY MAKE THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST WIHTOUT CHARGE, SO AS NOT TO USE FULLY MY AUTHORITY IN THE GOSPEL. For being free of all, I ENSLAVED MYSELF TO ALL, that I might gain the more. And I became as a Jew to the Jews, that I might gain Jews; to those under Law as under Law, that I might gain those under; to those without Law as without Law–not being without law of God, but under the law of Christ–that I might gain those without Law. I became to the weak as weak, that I might gain the weak. To all I have become all things, that in any and every way I might save some. AND I DO THIS FOR THE GOSPEL, that I might become a fellow-partaker of it. Do you not know that those running in a stadium indeed all run, but one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain. But everyone striving in all things controls himself. Then those truly that they may receive a corruptible crown, but we an incorruptible. So I run accordingly, not as uncertainly, so I fight, as not beating air; but I BUFFET (subdue the passions) my body and LEAD IT CAPTIVE (bring into subjection or slavery), that proclaiming to others I myself might not be rejected.”

    Paul could easily had partaken of the churches fleshly things, but chose not to so as not to bring a hindrance to the gospel of Christ.

    Jim should not be bringing the letters and e-mails of these people‘s contention and strife into the church. If they have a problem with him he should be speaking to them privately and responding to them privately. Paul specifically preaches against bringing flesh to eat in the church. We must remember that, “love has patience, is kind; love is not envious; love is not vain, is not puffed up; does not behave indecently; does not pursue its own things; is not easily provoked; thinks NO EVIL; DOES NOT REJOICE OVER WRONG, but rejoices with the truth; quietly covers all things; believes all things; hopes all thing; endures all things; love never fails.

    When we bring our flesh (self) into the church we are pursuing our own things and not seeking the things of others. When we were in the world we were infants in Christ, sealed unto the faith. Being infants in Christ we knew things only in part. But when the perfect thing comes (faith, which is Christ in us), then that which is in part will be caused to cease. Because when we were an infant, we spoke as an infant, we thought as an infant and reasoned as an infant due to us seeing through a mirror in dimness because we only knew truth in part. But when the perfect comes (faith), we became a man, and did away with the things of the infant, seeing now face to face, because we will fully know even as we also were fully known. We will know Christ as we are fully known by Him. And the things we only knew in part will be done away with, and the thing remaining is FAITH, HOPE, and LOVE; but the greatest of these is LOVE.

    My husband and I are constantly studying God’s word, and comparing scripture with scripture. My husband instructed me to not return to Grace and Truth Ministries due to the doctrine being taught is not in agreement with God’s word. I was noticing this and sent e-mails to Jim, but was ignored by Jim and when I did ask questions, I was told by Jim that he had taught on it and to watch his DVDs. My husband told me that my presence was an offense to Grace and Truth Ministries. And knowing this during those times I attended that my presence was an offense to them it was my fault for continuing to attend that caused them to have contention and strife amongst themselves. That’s why it was necessary for me to ask for forgiveness. It was selfish of me to continue to attend this ministry when they did not want me there.

    Cal4u, you are right. I ignored my husband and I suffered the consequences of my actions. When we are an offense to people and have offended them, even our enemies, we must ask for forgiveness. I thank you for your word in truth. God has given you a spirit of discernment, and that is a special gift from the Lord. God bless you.

    Ellie

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    • cal4u
      Nov 17, 2013 @ 12:22:57

      Dear Ellie,

      I’m sorry it is taking such a length of time to respond, but I find much information in your comments that I need to take time to go over prayerfully. I find you do see some things clearly, but there is a sense that you are obsessing over this, and you do need to give this all into the hands of the Lord and allow Him to bring healing to your heart and soul. This can take time, as I have experienced due to my involvement with cults and their false teachings.
      I will try my best with the Lord’s help to deal with certain things you are expressing that I find a problem with, and my comments will be in bold lettering after I quote from your written words.
      I pray the Lord will give you understanding, because it’s all about the simplicity which is in Christ Jesus and His gospel.
      Rom_12:8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
      2Co_1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.
      2Co_11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

      Here is a quote from your comment, that I wish to expound upon: “What happened at Grace and Truth Ministries was a journey that God ordained for me to go through so that it was necessary for me to be drawn to Him.” I can say this with a certain amount of certainty that the Lord did not totally ordain your journey. We as immature believers can and will make certain decisions “thinking” the Lord has guided us, but when in fact He did not. We can think that when certain men/women “teachers” who have spoken some truth are following the Lord, then we desire to be close to them and commit ourselves to their teaching and their local expression of the body,(meetings). Well false teachers do UTILIZE truth to SEDUCE “ignorant” believers. God will allow us to make certain decisions, in order to teach us HIS ways, as you stated, but in actuality it was our choice to join up to them. Abraham is a perfect example of this: in Genesis we find this account of Abram making a decision due to a famine in the land that was very much present, so HE decided to go where it would be safe and they would find food and security:Gen 12:10 And there was a famine in the land: and Abram went down into Egypt to sojourn there; for the famine was grievous in the land.
      Gen 12:11 And it came to pass, when he was come near to enter into Egypt, that he said unto Sarai his wife, Behold now, I know that thou art a fair woman to look upon:
      Gen 12:12 Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see thee, that they shall say, This is his wife: and they will kill me, but they will save thee alive.
      Gen 12:13 Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
      When we follow the story we see the Lord “allowed” Abram to make such a decision, but the LORD delivered them out from it due to it not being His will for Abram and Sarah to be there, so the Lord delivered them out from Egypt as our Lord will DELIVER us OUT from those false teachers that has caused us to believe in a false hood. As the word states in Romans; Rom_8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

      Now Ellie, the next few paragraphs you are dealing with the words “flesh and Spirit” quoting scriptures from Romans 8:5-14, but you need to take these scripture in context from the beginning of Romans 8:1 and the preceding chapters, as well as the chapters following. You are misunderstanding what the scriptures written by Paul is teaching us. We are born-again through the Holy Spirit, but we are also in sinful flesh, we are justified in Christ due to HIS sacrifice, and we will always be struggling against the flesh, but we must bring it into subjection through the Holy Spirit. Paul had this struggle that is why he wrote Romans, it shows the continual struggle of the flesh against the Spirit. Spirit here is not meaning “faith” as you express it, Spirit here is talking about the Holy Spirit. Here is the description from the Greek for the word Spirit:From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: – ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.

      You err to think it means “faith”, it does not. The word faith means faith. Here is the Greek meaning of the word faith: G4102
      πίστις
      pistis
      pis’-tis
      From G3982; persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: – assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

      You see we can through our “fleshly understanding” try and live Holy lives, through our own fleshly devices and strengths, when we are instructed by Paul here in Romans to lean upon the Lord and His Holy Spirit to live Holy Lives by allowing the Holy Spirit to assist in mortifying the sinful nature that is within us. It is by and with Faith in Christ and in His Atoning work that we are justified, our faith is in Christ and His promises towards us, that we must place our faith in Him to accomplish the work of righteousness within us, and that we will have until our dying day.
      Now I want to bring up your statements, in part, concerning “1 Corinthians 10:13-22,” I need to ask from what bible are you reading from? I read and study from the King James Version, and word “demons” in my bible is stating “devils”. Your usage of the word “demons” is not meaning “self” as you wrote. Devils is the proper word, and that means exactly what it states, it’s talking about evil spirits, not “SELF”.

      This is how my Bible reads:1Co 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
      1Co 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.
      Strongs Concordance for the Greek meaning of this word is as follows:G1140
      δαιμόνιον
      daimonion
      dahee-mon’-ee-on
      Neuter of a derivative of G1142; a daemonic being; by extension a deity: – devil, god.

      We are to grow in grace, and we grow in grace according to our knowledge of His Ways, not ours. We learn day by day, year by year, to decrease in OUR ways of doing and understanding things, and then we increase our faith in Christ and grow in obedience to His Word:
      Col 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
      Col 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
      Col 1:11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
      Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet( He, the Lord enabled us) to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
      Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
      Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

      So dear Ellie, this is all I want to respond too within this, your last comment. Now I have read in part your other recent comments, but due to the some of your “understanding of scriptures” I have not approved them, because I need to discern “what” it is you are trying to share. Because I sense their is again some misunderstanding of the Lord’s word and what you think the Lord spoke to you. I must discern all things, and prove all things before I allow them on this blog. Because, we may have “babes” in Christ reading this blog, and I can not allow anything that is not proper teaching to appear here for their protection. I’m sure you understand my position.

      Until then please just press into the Lord and pray for His understanding of His Word, through His Holy Spirit, which shall guide us into all truth. And may I suggest that you ask the Lord to remove ALL false teachings that are NOT from Him from your spirit, soul and mind. And any practices that be not from Him. I have done this many years ago and still do so in order to make sure I’m on the straight and narrow path.

      In His Eternal Love…..

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  27. Margaret Galbraith
    Nov 17, 2013 @ 05:58:50

    I believe you have seen it some of it clearly, but you are not the offense Ellie. It is the G and T Ministries who are the offense! ” Without love we are a clanging cymbal” I saw no love displayed there! You are accepted in the beloved and seated with Christ … read all the scriptures concerning this, I have to go now or I would put them up for you.
    You are blessed in HIM.

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  28. Ellie
    Nov 17, 2013 @ 08:50:43

    Dear Cal4u:

    God has His truth swimming in my mind revealing to me just how close I came to getting involved and soaked with false doctrine. It is truly scary when we realize how close we come to stepping in hell; and, especially by those that claim to love God, but yet use His word to deceive others.

    I know that I have written a tremendous amount on here about Jim Brown and the Grace and Truth Ministry; however, it is necessary for me to write on here due to being affiliated closely with this ministry for a little over 5 years. People are getting sucked in to this false doctrine and it is very important and according to God’s will to warn them, even those still attending, and to warn Jim Brown.

    There are people still attending this ministry that do not agree with Jim Brown on his teaching and what he is saying, yet they are afraid of Jim and do not want to speak up. It is necessary for me to speak up because I fear God and not man; and, for the fact that I truly love Jim and Mary. If we truly love a person, there is not greater love than to care for the eternal welfare (the destination of their soul), and to warn them with the truth of God.

    When Jim Brown teaches Romans 8 about conforming to the image of Christ, but yet teaches that faith increases and self decreases, Jim’s teaching is denying the conformity to the image of Christ. We are to follow Christ. God’s word states that Jesus was without sin (self). Jesus came to do the Father’s will. To be like (conform to) Christ is exactly what it means, to be like Christ. Our Lord and Savior did not have any part of self (sin). Who is it that conforms us? God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

    When Jim Brown teaches that faith increases and self decreases Jim is teaching false doctrine and states that you can have God and sin at the same time. Because as long as you have faith increasing, you have self (sin) in you, yet it is decreasing. And regardless if it is decreasing, it is still having two gods in a man, Faith (Holy Spirit) and self (sin). This is totally against and contradicts the word of God.

    To put Faith, the Holy Spirit, dwelling with self (sin) in a man is stating that the Holy Spirit is unclean. This is blasphemy. God’s word is proof of this, and God’s word does state that what Jim is teaching is blasphemy and antichrist, as follows:

    Luke 16:13 “No servant is able to serve two lords; for either he will hate the one (self), and he will love the other (Faith-God); or he will cling to one, and he will despise the other. You are unable to serve God and mammon (man = self). And being lovers of money (philarguros – love of shining = self). Note – what is it that shines in a man (PRIDE = SELF), the Pharisees also hear all these things; and they derided Jesus. And Jesus said to them, ‘You are those justifying yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts; for THING (SELF) HIGHLY PRIZED among men is a HATEFUL THING before God.”

    Can I get a second witness on this:

    Matthew 6:22-24 “The lamp of the body is the eye. If, then, your eye is sound, ALL your BODY IS LIGHT. But if your eye is evil, all your body is dark. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness.”

    Notice that Jesus is stating that if the light (faith) in you is darkness (demon = self), how great is that darkness? Remember Jesus stated just before “this, “If your eye is sound, all your body is light. But if your eye is evil (demon – self), ALL your BODY is DARK.

    Then Jesus states next, “NO ONE IS ABLE TO SERVE TWO LORDS; for either he will hate the one, and he will love the other; or he will cleave to the one, and he will despise the other. YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO SERVE GOD AND WEALTH.”

    What is it that causes man to want wealth, the SELF within a man. The lamp of the body is the eye. What drives the man to see evil is SELF. That’s why Jesus must bound the strong man. That’s why new wine (Holy Spirit) must be put in new bottles (the new man) so that both are preserved. This is the seed being planted in good ground. Remember, Jesus stated that all that the Father has not planted will be rooted up and cast into the fire.

    Jim Brown, you are of an old age and you will die soon, and will have to stand before God. Other people may agree with you to comfort you and stroke your flesh, and also due to being afraid of you; however, if a man is not honest with you, then that man does not love you. I truly love you and Mary and in my heart have to be honest with you due to being genuinely concerned for the eternal welfare of your soul, and do not want you cast into Hell. I want to be with you both, holding your hands, and singing praises of song and worship before the throne of God for eternity.

    Why God is having me understand His word spiritually is according to His will. This is by no means to state to you, see what God has shown me and not you. As Paul wrote, this is by no means for me to boast, except in the glory of God.

    God is powerful, and I pray to God and totally humble myself before Him, and ask God, that should you (Jim) be a child of God, the very next time before words come off your lips about faith increasing and self decreasing, God will close your lips to not say a word before all those sitting before you; and, that all these verses and many more will run through your heart and mind, to truly see spiritually these verses for the truth that they are and for you to once be honest with God.

    Regardless of what you may think of me, God knows in my heart that I truly love you and Mary.

    Ellie

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  29. Ellie
    Nov 17, 2013 @ 22:35:58

    Dear Cal4u:

    This is your blog and in no way am I trying to confuse anyone. The faith (gift of God) that God gives me is to know that He is true to His word and promise. The Holy Spirit is truth. And faith (pistis) as you stated is moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher). The Holy Spirit is faith (pistis) because the Holy Spirit will teach us all truth and is our teacher. Faith and the Holy Spirit are one in the same, just as God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

    Just as God’s word states about the fruit of the Holy Spirit in Galatians 5:22-24 “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, FAITH, meekness, SELF-control — against such things there is not a law.”

    Yes, we struggle in the flesh. That is the purpose of the daily cross. Christ commands His sheep to deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow Me. We are His sheep and He is going to see to it that our flesh is crucified daily and follow Him. That’s why with man all things are impossible, but with God all things are possible.

    It’s not what goes in a man that defiles a man, but what comes out of the heart. Matthew 15:19 “For out of the heart comes forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, lies, blasphemies. These are the things defile the man. Matthew 16:21-23 Just as Jesus was telling His disciples that He was to suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and to be killed, and to be raised on the third day. And having taken Him near, Peter began to rebuked Him, saying, “God be gracious to You, Lord; this shall never be to You. But turning Jesus said to Peter, Go behind me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you do not think of the things of God, but the things of men.” The self that was within Peter which is evil and satanic, Jesus rebuked and called it Satan because Peter was thinking of the things of men and not the things of God.

    When man is boasting in his pride, money, and gaining the world, the man is setting himself up as a god. Look at all the men that have been deified and worshipped with statues and figures. When Jesus told the Jews in John 10:30-36 that He and the Father are one! “Then again the Jews took up stones, that they might stone Him. Jesus answered them, I showed you many good works from My Father. For which work of them do you stone Me? The Jews answered Him, saying, We do not stone you concerning a good work, but concerning blasphemy; and because you, being a man, make yourself God. Jesus answered them, IS IT NOT WRITTEN IN YOUR LAW, ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’? If He called those gods with whom the word of God was — and the Scripture CANNOT be broken — do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, You blaspheme, because I said, I am Son of God?” Yes, the men of this world are little ‘gods’.

    God is faithful, and promises that He will bound the little ‘gods’ and put His faith in us. We are His bride, and just as a man in Israel is given a bride and for a year the man goes to his father’s house and builds a room for him and his bride. The woman is legally bound to this man and is betrothed to him and is to not marry another. Then the man will come as a thief in the night to claim his bride. But she will not know when that day is, but the bride is prepared at all times, and does not fornicate or adulterate with another man. Mary was betrothed (espouse) to Joseph. That’s why Joseph was going to put Mary away from him secretly when he found out she was with child. However, the Angel of the Lord came to Joseph in a dream and told Joseph that what was in her was fathered by the Holy Ghost.

    God is going to work His power and might in us because He said He would because He will lose none. Yes, we are in this flesh, but we must remember that God did not sin and nailed the flesh to the cross, and will see to it that our flesh is nailed to the cross every day, every hour, every minute and every second. Because what is impossible with man is not impossible with God. And those that belong to God, He promised to put His Faith and Hope in their hearts to know this, because it’s not what we do, but what He does in us.

    That’s why God said in 2 Corinthians 6:16, “And what agreement does a temple of God have with idols? For you are a temple of the living God, even as God said, ‘I will DWELL in them, and WALK among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Because of this, COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM, AND BE SEPARATED, says the Lord, and DO NOT TOUCH THE UNCLEAN THING; and I WILL RECEIVE YOU. And I will be a Father to you, and you will be sons and daughters to Me, says the Lord Almighty. Then HAVING THESE PROMISES, beloved, LET US CLEANSE OURSELVES FROM ALL DEFILEMENTS OF FLESH, AND OF SPIRIT, PERFECTING HOLINESS IN THE FEAR OF GOD.”

    It’s not what we do, but what God does in us. This is faith. And only the Holy Spirit dwelling in us can give us faith because it is the fruit of the Spirit.

    When the jailer asked Paul, “How must I be saved?” And Paul stated, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved.” Believe is the verb form of faith (pistis). Majority of men have a mental assent to faith; however, believe is the verb form due to an action, and that action of faith can only be done by the Holy Spirit working in a man.

    God’s word that is read by me is: The Interlinear Greek-English Bible with the Strong’s concordance numbers by Jay P. Green, Sr. I also have William Mounce’s study guide and study book of the Greek Language along with the flash cards, and the Greek Analytical Exhaustive Concordance and Strong’s Concordance.

    I truly apologize if there has been any offense done by me to you. You have assisted me through all this, and it is now time for me to move on and let God do His thing and deal with Jim Brown and the Grace and Truth Ministry.

    God knows it is in my heart for me to not hate anyone. May God bless each of you.

    Thank You.

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    • cal4u
      Nov 18, 2013 @ 00:03:35

      Dear Ellie,

      First, I have not said that you were “trying” to bring confusion into my blog. I said “some of your “understanding of scriptures” I have not approved them, because I need to discern “what” it is you are trying to share.”

      Secondly, I have NOT been offended by you, whatsoever! I understand the difficulty you have come through and faced regarding Jim Brown and his heretical ministry. It’s all about having patience with one another, compassion, just as the Lord has been with us, that is how He desires us to be toward one another. And by His Grace and strength this can be accomplished, in order to serve and assist the true Body of Christ amidst the difficulties of the rampant apostasy we are living in.

      I am grateful to the Lord that He has caused me to have this blog available to all who are His children, and if and when He uses it to help others, well…..the Glory goes all to the Lord, and then we are ALL blessed.

      Thank you for all your heartfelt honesty, in presenting your trials and hurts due to this ungodly JB ministry, and sharing some of your new found understanding of the Lord ways. He shall bring you through more healing and set you free from everything that is NOT of Him.

      I shall respond to your other comments when I’ve read them, and will share my thoughts concerning them.

      Now, you can move on into the things of the Lord and His desire for you and your husband and He shall guide you with His eye, and lead you into His purpose for your lives. I am happy for you that you are out from JB, Praise the Lord, for His faithfulness towards us….His Flock.

      Please come back and visit with your husband also, and participate as the Lord should lead you.

      IN His Eternal Love…..and care

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  30. Ellie
    Nov 19, 2013 @ 09:07:52

    CAL4U: God has touched my heart to put one last comment by me on here. This is very important and must be posted. God has touched my heart to realize why it was necessary for me to be kicked out of the Grace and Truth Ministries. It was necessary fruit of the Spirit that God put in me to abound. God’s word with being chocked by Jim Brown before getting into the hearts of man. And God revealed to me the real reason by people leave Grace and Truth Ministries.

    CAL4U, this will be my last post on here. God knows that in my heart how much you have been a blessing to me and it is necessary for me to let you know this. Thank you so much.

    Dear Ellie,

    I have edited this last comment to only reveal your first two paragraphs. I must do this because I feel Jim Brown’s G&T Ministries have been admonished by you and myself, and other persons. We have done so as the Lord’s informs us to do, as follows: Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
    Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
    Tit 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

    Secondly, I must iterate that your husband should be taking this authority to do so, in correcting Jim Brown, he is the spiritual leader of your household, and you can be standing with him, but he is the one to be correcting Jim Brown, as the Lord leads.
    I have mentioned scriptures before in my replies to you that support that woman are NOT to teach nor to correct teachers, or so-called spiritual leaders. Women are to submit to the husband, and the husband is to walk in the authority that the Lord has given man.
    I know this may be difficult for you to submit to, or it may be possible that you are in some disbelief of it, or ignorance of what the Lord expects HOW the body of Christ is to conduct itself. I my self in certain areas have this struggle, but I continually cry out the Lord for Grace to be obedient to His Ways. This is the conflict we as true believers will always have until we meet the Lord “face to face”. This is the ‘flesh’ that pops up ALL the time, but through Christ’s atonement we are still justified and Righteous. As long as we don’t “willfully” keep walking our own way, doing our own thing.

    Thirdly, I can’t not allow you to teach that the word demons (self)as you have stated it in a couple of your comments as sound Biblical truth. It is not, I mentioned this in a previous reply to you, but you never addressed it. Our flesh is flesh, and yes it is part and parcel to our fallen nature, but we who have been born of God, still exist in this flesh, and we all still have to deal with our “self-centered” ways. And this does take a life time, because we are still sinners saved by Grace.

    Fourthly, I need to expound when evil was worked against Paul and his character by Alexander, Paul expressed these words:2Ti 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:
    2Ti 4:15 Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words.
    He does not state how much he loved him in the Lord, and wished the best for him, he knew the Lord would reward Alexander according to his wicked devices. As Paul also states here also: Rom 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
    Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Paul walked the walk, according to what he taught.
    I will state it again, Jim Brown is NOT a true follower of the Lord Jesus Christ of the bible, he teaches another Gospel, another Christ, and the Lord will repay according to his wicked works. Just leave it all in the hands of the Lord. And do not wish him blessings, no where in scripture are we instructed to bless those that teach falsehood.

    Your last two comments and other two comments prior I can not allow on this blog because they still are “fragments” from Jim Brown’s teaching. You still are not understanding the Lord’s word through the Holy Spirit. I know, I’ve walked that myself. But, the Lord and His Word, through the unction of the Holy Spirit, gave me insight to understand truth from error.

    Dear Ellie, I praise the Lord that He has used this forum to assist you, all the Glory goes to our Lord, but you still have a ways to go.

    And only the Lord can bring you through to His truth concerning this type of teaching that you are proclaiming, there is present in your presentation natural human reasoning, which is of the flesh, but I know the Lord will bring you through this, my trust and Hope is in HIM.
    So just continue on with your life in the Lord, and yes I do agree this must come to an end.

    I pray the Lord give your husband and you understanding concerning the Lord’s order in how the body of Christ needs to conduct themselves, because many are falling short concerning HIS GODLY COUNCIL and ORDER.

    The Lord bless you,
    In His Eternal Love
    …..

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  31. Michaerl Nitsch
    Dec 02, 2013 @ 11:42:40

    Greetings Michaerl Nitsch,

    Your response here just reveals the depth of your spiritual immaturity, and inexperience in the knowledge of How the Lord desires His True body to communicate when it comes to, as you stated “untruths”.
    According to the Lord’s Word one must properly point out what is exactly the “untruth” and then give from a Biblical standpoint “why” it is not true.
    Our God and Lord is a God of order, and He is SPECIFIC when it comes to dealing with error and sin, He is a GOD of DETAIL and ORDER, He is NOT the author of Chaos!

    It is very obvious that Jim Brown does not teach the Full Council of God concerning on how we are to be true “Bereans” which studies to show ourselves approved in rightly dividing the Word of the Lord, by keeping within the context of how scriptures are presented.
    2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
    2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
    2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
    2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
    2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
    2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
    2Ti 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master’s use, and prepared unto every good work.

    Your statement is actually an emotional response using generalized accusations, which I do not accept, because it is unjustly spreading slander, which is part and parcel of the fruit from Jim Brown and his cult.
    If you desire to discuss what You feel is untrue, please pick out from the article that which you have a problem with, and we will discuss it from how the Lord’s views it from His Word and with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
    To be honest your response is the typical jargon that comes from those who follow this heretical cult teacher. His sheep pretty much have the same ungodly characteristics that he portrays, there is nothing of the Holy Spirit in Jim Brown and his wife’s conduct, nor within his teachings. I know I’ve been involved with two types of cults through the years, so I do know what I speak and have learned through the Holy Spirit, and the Lord’s mercy in delivering me from such false leaders and so-called shepherds.

    There is no lying being done here, it has been established by more than two or three witnesses that the errors of Jim Brown are true and correct and all complaints against this false teacher has broken down within the article with Scriptural proof of Jim Browns errors. The truth has been established by witnesses that have been deeply wounded and offended by this heretics doctrine of demons.
    Deu 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

    Jim Brown belongs in the category of the men that you have mentioned who are of the pit, and servants of the author of all lies, and the enemy of the Cross.
    I truly pray the Lord opens your eyes to reveal HIS TRUTH as written in His Word with the guidance of the Holy Spirit to set you free from the bondage of slavery to Jim Brown and ‘Grace & Truth Ministries’

    In His Eternal Love….

    i disaagree with your untruths on jim brown all he has to say is in the bible. that makes you a liar. if you want to speeak of false teachers look to billy graham,joel olsteeen,charles stanly,pat robertson,to name but a few.these are your scorpions and false teachers and heritics.

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  32. Noelle
    Feb 17, 2014 @ 17:33:49

    God didn’t convict you so it’s not a sin!?! So when God doesn’t convict preachers who steal from their flock by preaching the prosperity message while wearing fur coats and owning private jets and megachurch buildings that is clearly not a sin, it’s just what they believe to be truth. Starving children in every state of this nation and they are allowed to have excess. Sounds legit.

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    • cal4u
      Feb 18, 2014 @ 07:20:53

      Noelle,
      Thanks for dropping by to leave a comment, though it’s not very clear what it is you are rebuking me on. What is the sin YOU think I’ve committed?

      You must present things in order, if the Lord does in His Word, then why do you think you do not need too? Our Lord is a God of specifics, generalizing is not a trait one learns from the Lord, just the opposite, it’s all about the details. Our God is a God of details. He is ALWAYS very specific, so why should we not be who follow Him?
      People who follow a man or woman and their false teaching don’t realize that they are in part blinded by the very person they place on a pedestal. They always react in irrational behaviour and start accusing and slandering the person who is trying to show the truth, by revealing the errors.

      They react NOT according to how our Lord desires us to handle one another in “Love” and in truth, but they react in a deceitful and fleshly manner NOT using scripture to support their stance. They usually will always use the words of the teacher they are trying to protect. They yell, kick and scream and run around in a “panic”, spouting foul words out of their mouth to protect their IDOL.
      Is that the Spirit of the Living God? Did Christ react that way when others falsely accused Him? He had peace because He knew with whom He was trusting in, and He knew in whom He believed.

      Are you a supporter of JB and G&T Ministries? Your comment is not very clear, maybe you could clarify? It would help.

      Thank you for visiting, and may the Lord bless you today with a saving Knowledge of who He is, and what His truth stands for. And the closer you get to the Lord and not a man, the more truth you will understand. And you will be set free!

      In His Eternal Love….

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  33. R.J. Jones
    Mar 16, 2014 @ 07:03:50

    I just ran across this website after posting a comment on another website about Jim Brown and the jimsgraceandtruth ministry. Looks like this guys finally starting to get a little popular. And I see he has a few poor blind and ignorant disciples commenting on this website as well. So I may as well post my experience with Jim Brown on here as well.

    Jim Brown speaks for himself. All anyone has to do is watch one of his videos and see his foul and vicious nature and continuous name calling. Sure he treats people of his flock and in person as kind as a turtle dove, but woe unto you who DARE question Jim Browns scriptural interpretation. You will get publicly whipped and called every idiotic name he can roll off his tongue. He’s GREAT at one sided debates and that’s ALL he ever does otherwise if he even dared talking to anybody in person like that they could correct him and put him in his place not to mention probably take a swing at him. No matter how smart you are and how much knowledge you possess, there is no excuse for treating people like crap, Christian or not, and it ‘s not rocket science figuring that one out.

    Just watch him. He knows everything in the world and every video is like a haughty “I am so much smarter than the rest of you stupid idiots” Jim Brown show, or perhaps more like a circus while he so endlessly flaunts his intellect dazzling his small flock of disciples with his biblical brilliance. He can teach Bible until he’s blue in the face and memorize every translation he owns but that hardly makes him Christ-like. He is NEVER wrong and anyone who dares to disagree with him or interprets scripture different than him will be called names like “stupid” “idiot” “ignoramuses” “liars” and on and on. And some of you people have the gall to say that there’s is nothing unbiblical about this??? You’re no better then him or his ministry. And you instantly judge people that have been abused and mistreated by this ministry and that have the courage to stand up and speak up about it as if “they’re” the ones that are being un’Christian? Even though that’s basically what Jim Brown does during 50% of all his sermons? And you’re are the spiritual one and we’re the horrible people just because it hasn’t happened to you? Is that how self centered and self righteous you people are? Wrong is wrong regardless if it happens to you or somebody else.

    You people and your comments. As if because Jim Brown exposes some false teachers he has license to go around and abuse people and misuse a ministry publicly treating people like dirt and even on video. Sure he speaks a lot of truth but is that all that matters to you people? You can walk around being one of the biggest hypocrites on the plant but as long as you teach accurately that’s all that matters?? (which is also debatable as EVERYBODY thinks their interpretation is the CORRECT one).

    Jim Brown is a spiritual thug and bible bully and even a bigger hypocrite that the people his finger is continuously pointing at while accusing them of the same exact thing. In one of his videos he goes on to say how stupid people are for listening to pastors and not studying for themselves. Yet this is exactly what I have done. Left the church and study on my own now. And you should have heard the names he called me because my studies didn’t lead me to Jim BROWN’S exact interpretation and I dared to comment on it only hoping for friendly debate. And in no way attacked him personally or his character. Unfortunately he didn’t return that favor. He took one of my comments and posted a live video online and read it to his congregation literally mocking me, took all my words out of context, kept stopping in the middle of my sentences and showing the people how wrong I was without even finishing my sentences making me out to say things I never even said. Yeah, real stand up Biblical man…

    Then before even finishing the complete comment after getting all his points across and completely hacking my comment up, he then called me “stupid” said I was an ignoramus” started boasting about how many more verses he knew than I did and how his wife even had more verses than I did, said he’d rip me to shreds, then said he’s decimate me (obviously referring to scripture like it’s some kind of childish competition or something), and then went on to the next letter and never even bothered reading the end of my comment which had the most important points I made. If you can read a Bible and still support this foul human being and ministry you need as much help and prayer as they do. There’s NOTHING biblical about publicly slandering people and misrepresenting them, especially when they’re not even present to defend themselves just as he does to other preachers publicly slandering them and their character on live video and calling them all kinds of names as well. He and his ministry are nothing more than Biblical bullies and tyrants intimidating and name calling anyone who DARES to believe anything different than Jim Brown!

    Here’s a link if any of you want more info on how Jim Brown has hurt other people. For all you Jim Brown fans, you can call it gossip and keep your heads in the sand pretending you’re holier than thou and remain ignorant, or start educating yourselves. And for the record, I too do not trust English translations like Jim Brown and go to the Greek and Hebrew so I am not affiliated or even necessarily in agreement with this site and not against Jim Brown for that reason and it was the reason I was actually interested in his teachings…until choking down his third or forth video. Just FYI………

    http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/grace-truth-ministries-religious-harassment-c592386.html

    Signed,

    Just another hurt soul abused by westernized Christianity and the Jim Brown ministry…

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    • cal4u
      Mar 17, 2014 @ 22:55:45

      Greetings R. J. and thank you for sharing with us your experiences with JB and G and T Ministry. It will be helpful to others who may have some misgivings of this man and his cult, because that is what it is…..A CULT.

      I have not had personal experiences with this ministry in the states, except through the comments left by followers of his. I got introduced to this man and his ministry through FaceBook last year. I think a friend liked him, so I checked him out and listened to some of his video’s on his usage of the Gematria, then the red flags started to fly high. And his overall demeanor of shouting and screaming his sermon’s. THAT is always an instant turn-off for me, because our Lord stated His word comes with grace, humility, gentleness, easily to be entreated. This man was anything but!

      I always can notice the signs of Spiritual abuse and this man has it all over him.

      I hope you drop by again, and feel free to comment on anything you might question. I am always open to honest, loving and biblical discussions.

      The Lord bless you and keep you in His Path and in His Perfect Will according to His purpose for your life within the Body of Christ.

      In His Eternal Love….

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  34. Fred Greeson
    Aug 12, 2014 @ 16:43:28

    Even if Jim Brown didn’t deny self, the words from scripture commanding the same, are still true, as they pertain to each of us individually. Beware of he who multiplieth the word. Discrediting Jim Brown does not diminish Christ’s commands to the elect..

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    • cal4u
      Aug 13, 2014 @ 13:22:34

      Dear Fred, may I ask what do you think “deny self” truly means?
      Paul taught that those that he taught should follow his example, as well as Christ’s. So within that context should we follow after Jim Brown?……Hardly.

      We are to follow those who truly walk in the Spirit, and are blessed with the gifts of the Spirit….”for you shall KNOW them by their FRUIT”, it does not say by their truth!

      The word says:
      1Co_13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
      1Co_13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
      1Co_13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

      I whole heartily agree that we are to “deny self”, but that also includes warning others of a false teacher or pastor. To deny self, in this instance, is to speak out, no matter what others have to say. Because ALL things are to be based upon scripture which is “spiritually discerned” by and through the Holy Spirit.

      Who in there right mind wants to bear the rants of immature Christians, slanderers, false accusers, and those that follow blindly those that are spiritually blind, such as Jim Brown?
      I sure don’t like it, but I must “deny” my self-protective will, and be faithful to the Lords commands to warn others of false teachers and their doctrines, THAT is denying self, because the Lord is capable of opening others understanding to the truth through the words of His faithful sheep!

      The Lord bless you.

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